Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, PurpleTree said: No sorrys, time doesnât exist according to this forum đ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: This is why people in the west will think itâs a conspiracy. 6 hours is ridiculous. We all saw the tragic videos from Israelies saying where is the help from the IDF.   It was a holiday in this day, and many soldiers are in vacation, which can explain the delay. đ» Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: It was a holiday in this day, and many soldiers are in vacation, which can explain the delay. Defence forces donât have holidays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, Nivsch said: 6 hours later (for the first forces). But still too long. I'm not expert at all but it feels to me that the whole system has to be a double-agent for hamas in order to this conspiracy to be true which is quite impossible. It is impossible for this to be negligence, it is a maximum security border, there are surely military personnel on permanent guard. In the end everything will be investigated and revealed, although lately it seems that people forget everything. For example, it was said that videos of horrible torture were going to be made public, but the only thing that has been made public are videos of executions. It is already known that there were executions, but from the beginning there was an emphasis on torture, which has generated a lot of hatred. It was said that they were going to be shown and it has not been done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: It was a holiday in this day, and many soldiers are in vacation, which can explain the delay. Yea but then terrorists can always plan an attack on holidays Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 Noam chomskys opinion on why the us support for israel is so strong historically. Iâm sure heâs right with some points but iâm sure there are also many other reasons line holocaust etc etc https://youtu.be/hofWP7XeU5o?si=slSk_Wb0W34lnuaA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: It is impossible for this to be negligence, it is a maximum security border, there are surely military personnel on permanent guard. In the end everything will be investigated and revealed, although lately it seems that people forget everything. For example, it was said that videos of horrible torture were going to be made public, but the only thing that has been made public are videos of executions. It is already known that there were executions, but from the beginning there was an emphasis on torture, which has generated a lot of hatred. It was said that they were going to be shown and it has not been done. Yes there were few. Nobody thought hamas will get in 2000 terrorists. Almost everybody thought hamas is dettered and won't dare to do a massive attack and also not interested in an attack these days. This was a combination of a holiday with minimum alert level, and a wrong conception we had about the intention of the other side, especially after years of conflict that cause psychological habituation and grinding. Edited October 27, 2023 by Nivsch đ» Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Nivsch said: Yes there were few. Nobody thought hamas will get in 2000 terrorists. Almost everybody thought hamas is dettered and won't dare to do a massive attack and also not interested in an attack in this days. This was a combination of a holiday and minimum alert, together with a wrong psychological conception we had about the intention of the other side, especially after years of conflicts and psychological habituation and grinding. But after egypt warned them? Or you donât believe that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Even Yocheved Lifshitz, the beautiful, elderly hostage that was released, said in her interview that her daughter translated, that Hamas was burning the grass on Israelâs side for days before. So there was activity going on that would alert the military. Her Interview where she said that I canât find this second as they all seem edited now. She was pissed about the IDF.  edit to add video. She was highly critical of the IDF, Hamas had been burning fields for weeks before. Below YouTube is on Democracy now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzGd92axe_o  Edited October 27, 2023 by Merkabah Star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: But after egypt warned them? Or you donât believe that I prefer to believe it, but even then, I think Israel just couldn't believe hamas is capable to do that. We simplified the other side's thinking pattern, as we all do every day with our mind about other people. đ» Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 So, I am expecting a new attack on Israel from Lebanon. Because Israel govt needs a new enemy right now. Another false flag operation is coming soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 49 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Yes there were few. Nobody thought hamas will get in 2000 terrorists. Almost everybody thought hamas is dettered and won't dare to do a massive attack and also not interested in an attack these days. This was a combination of a holiday with minimum alert level, and a wrong conception we had about the intention of the other side, especially after years of conflict that cause psychological habituation and grinding. Although no one thought it, the moment they break the fence all the alarms sound, all the cameras show what is happening, there are helicopters, the kibbutz are told to leave. It is Israel, the country with the best security in the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said: So, I am expecting a new attack on Israel from Lebanon. Because Israel govt needs a new enemy right now. Another false flag operation is coming soon. Hezbollah is an Iranian puppet and wonât attack Israel unless Iran says yes which I donât think will happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 I just want to say : shame on Israel for killing more than 6000 CIVILIANS  in Gaza this month alone. thatâs fucked up beyond any measures  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, integration journey said: I just want to say : shame on Israel for killing more than 6000 CIVILIANS  in Gaza this month alone. thatâs fucked up beyond any measures  Well we humans are just mostly mere survival machines is what i learned today israelis are scared, they think ânever againâ and go overboard itâs cyclical trauma and bs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Although no one thought it, the moment they break the fence all the alarms sound, all the cameras show what is happening, there are helicopters, the kibbutz are told to leave. It is Israel, the country with the best security in the world For that conspiracy theory to work. Quite many people would have to know about it and keep it quiet. Many people in surveillence, military etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, PurpleTree said: For that conspiracy theory to work. Quite many people would have to know about it and keep it quiet. Many people in surveillence, military etc That's true, of maybe not so many. Everything will be investigated very deeply. It really is uncertain. It seems certain that it is a conspiracy because it seems impossible that they are so ineffective, but on the other hand, if it were prepared it would end up being known. But nowadays it seems that people forget quickly, recently they said that they were going to reveal the thing about the extraterrestrials, and no one talks about it anymore, the thing about Ukraine is lie after lie and nobody cares, and this, we will see. It will be interesting to see how this is treated, how it is investigated, if it has any importance once everything is over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: For that conspiracy theory to work. Quite many people would have to know about it and keep it quiet. Many people in surveillence, military etc Conspiracies require a level of competence that are often lacking not only by the conspirers themselves, but by the many pawns needed across domains and fields to pull it off. What often looks like an orchestration of conspired events is usually opportunism. The powerful conspire after and around events rather than conspire events into existence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: For that conspiracy theory to work. Quite many people would have to know about it and keep it quiet. Many people in surveillence, military etc During the last war in Gaza it was exposed Israel knew the kidnapped teenagers were already dead but used the pretense they were alive and needed to be rescued to attack and âmow the lawnâ by mass killing Gazans. They also denied killing an Al Jazeera journalist and only quietly admitted to it later and refused to prosecute anyone involved. They have lied before. I think itâs a stretch to say they let this attack happen though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 55 minutes ago, integration journey said: Hezbollah is an Iranian puppet and wonât attack Israel unless Iran says yes which I donât think will happen I think the same, but what if Israel says yes to Hezbollah? Then they might attack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
