Posted October 27, 2023 @Raze Thank you for sharing. This clearly shows their moral development of their army is not much higher than that of Russians but people here dont seem to fanthom that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: Sorry but this is just utterly absurd. Learn a bit about Israel seriously. I know the history, I see the politicians who are elected, I see the facts, and I really see it as normal that there is hatred towards the Arabs, it is normal after so many years of conflict. I see it as completely impossible that, having the most sophisticated surveillance systems, the attack would not be detected. I suppose they would even know the names of those involved before breaking the fence through facial recognition. They would know exactly the number of weapons they were carrying. I think they thought it was time to get serious, and I guess the US would have thought it was a good time to get serious with Iran. But of course, maybe none of this is true, it's just an opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: I know the history, I see the politicians who are elected, I see the facts, and I really see it as normal that there is hatred towards the Arabs, it is normal after so many years of conflict. I see it as completely impossible that, having the most sophisticated surveillance systems, the attack would not be detected. I suppose they would even know the names of those involved before breaking the fence through facial recognition. They would know exactly the number of weapons they were carrying. I think they thought it was time to get serious, and I guess the US would have thought it was a good time to get serious with Iran. But of course, maybe none of this is true, it's just an opinion. Do you think the same thing about 9/11? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 28 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: @hundreth Israel zionism is not better. also their current government is equally cancer I'm no fun of the current Israeli regime, but reverse the situation. What would happen if Hamas had the IDF's firepower capabilities? Do you think any Jews in the region would still exist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: Do you think the same thing about 9/11? 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: I think it is possible to hijack a plane and crash it into the towers but it is impossible to break the Gaza fence with a bulldozer, have an armed group enter Israel and spend 12 hours killing civilians Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nabd said: I also think the same. Of course this doesn't mean all the government is complicit with Hamas or something but there is some part of the IDF or deep state or some other group in the government who knew about the attack or at least knew something was gonna happen and yet chose not to act on it because we know for sure that Egypt informed Israel that something was wrong. Yes, and also a Jewish holiday, a perfect day, and after being warned, and receiving US aid of tens of billions in surveillance and weapons systems. think that within 10 minutes of breaking the fence there would be 4 latest generation helicopters unleashing hell, we are talking about the most equipped army in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: @hundreth Israel zionism is not better. also their current government is equally cancer Only the far-right-wing of Ben Gvir and Bezal'el Smotritz. But even them are not comparatable to hamas. Edited October 27, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Nabd said: I also think the same. Of course this doesn't mean all the government is complicit with Hamas or something but there is some part of the IDF or deep state or some other group in the government who knew about the attack or at least knew something was gonna happen and yet chose not to act on it because we know for sure that Egypt informed Israel that something was wrong. It shows how misguided and conspiratorial your thinking is. Nothing about allowing this attack is good for Israel or their government. Israel has previously traded 1,000 prisoners for one Israeli. Now there's 200 hostages. The administration has been embarrassed and will likely be forced to leave. Fighting this battle puts Israel in an impossible situation, where they have to thread the needle between international support, concern over their own civilians, concern over their military, concern over Palestinian civilians, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nabd said: It could have been done because some part of the Israeli government actually wanna get rid of Netanyahu and after the reforms he has done well it's practically impossible. Don't be naive about prisoners like some people are. Israel can go to the west bank and grab as many Palestinians as they want and force Hamas to trade them. Actually that's what Israel is doing I believe they already put 1000 Palestinians in jail. Also I really don't buy that Israel is threatened militarily. Where is Hasan Nasrallah? Man this guy gave us headaches every month talking about his rockets reaching Israel and even threatened to attack Nuclear sites for years now. He is currently hiding and didn't appear or address the people. They are paper tigers and only good at killing civilians in their home countries. Yes you can continue adding levels to the house of cards case you've built, but it doesn't help much. Occam's razor is pretty strong. A weak and divided Israel going through political strife, during holiday season got caught with their pants down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, hundreth said: during holiday season got caught with their pants down. It is materially impossible. It is a guarded border, a conflict zone in a threatened country surrounded by enemies. It is very easy to detect the breach of the fence, there are cameras and alarms everywhere, soldiers on guard 24 hours a day, it is completely impossible for what has happened to happen without being detected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: It is materially impossible. It is a guarded border, a conflict zone in a threatened country surrounded by enemies. It is very easy to detect the breach of the fence, there are cameras and alarms everywhere, soldiers on guard 24 hours a day, it is completely impossible for what has happened to happen without being detected. Yes, you know more about what's possible there than the Hamas insurgents living there who carefully planned the attack for months and risked their lives. They have no idea, but you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, hundreth said: Yes, you know more about what's possible there than the Hamas insurgents living there who carefully planned the attack for months and risked their lives. They have no idea, but you do. They do not risk their lives, they are suicidal. It is a metal fence, how it is possible that it is not monitored, with alarms, cameras, various levels of security, motion detectors, the latest technology? They haven't done anything subtle, they have broken it with a bulldozer. If it really was a security failure, Israel is run by mentally retarded people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) @Breakingthewall This was monitored and even seen every day by IDF observers near the border. They saw all the training hamas did near the border. But the commanders above them underestimated it and dissmised it as not so important. "hamas isn't capable of such things". Our conception and interpretation of what we have seen - were the problem. Edited October 27, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, Nivsch said: @Breakingthewall This was monitored and even seen every day by IDF observers near the border. They saw all the training hamas did near the border. But the commanders above them underestimated it and dissmised it as not so important. "hamas isn't capable of such things". Our conception and interpretation of what we have seen - were the problem. So when they broke the fence and hundreds of armed men entered, they didn't see it? They have the latest surveillance technology, the steel dome, satellites, thousands of cameras. There were people who recorded the paragliders with their phones. There were people who called emergency services saying that they were being attacked by terrorists and they did not receive help until 13 hours later. all this is impossible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 rise of anti-semitism? https://youtu.be/lXW147YoR2Q?si=St7KBCzynEfOBhDd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: So when they broke the fence and hundreds of armed men entered, they didn't see it? They have the latest surveillance technology, the steel dome, satellites, thousands of cameras. There were people who recorded the paragliders with their phones. There were people who called emergency services saying that they were being attacked by terrorists and they did not receive help until 13 hours later. all this is impossible 6 hours later (for the first forces). But still too long. I'm not expert at all but it feels to me that the whole system has to be a double-agent for hamas in order to this conspiracy to be true which is quite impossible. Edited October 27, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nivsch said: 6 hours later (for the first forces). But still too long. I'm not expert at all but it feels to me that the whole system has to be a double-agent for hamas in order to this conspiracy to be true which is quite impossible. This is why people in the west will think it’s a conspiracy. 6 hours is ridiculous. We all saw the tragic videos from Israelies saying where is the help from the IDF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said: This is why people in the west will think it’s a conspiracy. I mean generally people in the „west“ don’t think that imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, PurpleTree said: I mean generally people in the „west“ don’t think that imo Give It time. 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said: Give It time. 😀 No sorrys, time doesn’t exist according to this forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
