Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Scholar said: To be clear, she is referring to the people who held her captive, not the people who kidnapped her. She reported she was beaten and experienced hell by the actual terrorists who slaughtered civilians and brought her back as a hostage. Hamas has every reason not to mistreat the hostages that are designated for exchange, so this is not very surprising. She is a human rights activists. I posted this because she is an example of someone who despite being in the middle of the storm is able to rise above the us vs. them narratives. This is at another level. Vincit omnia Veritas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 Some music, to go with the tone... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eovMuxGqyGQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) It descends in blinding fury, none will be saved but the pure in heart. Makes sense to me. Harden not your hearts... this is the true war. However, it's so complicated. They say, go kill, and fight! Edited October 25, 2023 by Sir Oberon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 Btw, Israel's security apparatus could not predict the 2000+ rockets fired by hamas on 7/10 but had detailed info about one particular rocket that happened to hit the hospital, with audio of the very two who fired it. I guess I'm not the only one who sees the absurdity of this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) “It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,” Guterres said at a UN Security Council meeting on the Israel-Hamas war, which erupted when the terror group ravaged Israeli border communities, killing some 1,400 people, the vast majority of them civilians. “The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing,” Guterres said. The nerve of people to say the Palestinians are less developed and need to be occupied because they are so, when the actions of the occupier hinder their development. Just as how predatory Western corporations hinder the development of developing countries to maintain the profits from cheap labour and resources, and when governments who aren't in the interest of the West come to power or may come to power, they are coup'ed and interfered with covertly. The nerve then to deflect any criticism of your governments actions (Israel) by bringing out the Holocaust or anti-semite card, just as muslim extremists bring out the Islamophobia card or black people the racist card. The occupier is in the offensive position from the get go, any action taken for self determination in what was once your own land is the defensive position - defensive resistance. Just as someone resists the rapist in defence, Palestinians resist the rape of their land and dignity. If someone comes into your house, demotes you to the basement and controls your food, water, electricity and free movement which puts them at a leveraged position in negotiation, then has the nerve to propose and negotiate how much of your house you can have, especially if that proposal is unfair, restrictive and doesn't meet the minimum requirement set by international law, what do you expect? Edited October 25, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jodistrict said: She is a human rights activists. I posted this because she is an example of someone who despite being in the middle of the storm is able to rise above the us vs. them narratives. This is at another level. Most of the people who were slaughtered by Hamas probably had a similar attitudes. People living in these Kibbutzes are stage green hippie types, same goes for the people at the music festival. There were in fact some peace and human rights activists who were executed by Hamas. Edited October 25, 2023 by Scholar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, zazen said: “It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,” Guterres said at a UN Security Council meeting on the Israel-Hamas war, which erupted when the terror group ravaged Israeli border communities, killing some 1,400 people, the vast majority of them civilians. and then something about a house yes but why don’t you care as much about uyghurs, kurds, tibetans, women in iran etc? @lina also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 erdogan: sweden and finland must accept that kurdish reaistance fighters pkk and ypg is of brutal terrorism and can into subhuman also erdogan: hamas is not terrorist they are freedom fighters ☺️🤮 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Happy Lizard said: *Not defending any side here* would Israel be more secure if Gaza was occupied or kept under control? I feel like thats a good idea in theory, I don’t really understand the situation well enough to say this should be done or not in theory, but I can only imagine that that was not a good mesure for the Israeli government to not keep Gaza under-check, while at the same time allowing some development to happen. why was Gaza left on it’s own and then blockade? It might have been a historical mistake, but it seems like the approch is -this is what it’s seeming to me at least -“we either watch you, keep you under control, which will means a better life and an opportunity for growth/breath” or “we leave you on your own, show as what you’ve got, but then cut you form the outside world” naturally a person like environment is going to be … well, a prison-like-environment, where red militia will thrive. This explains to me why the west bank seems to be a doing bit better. The idea wasn't to leave Gaza alone and cut it off from the outside world (by the way, when Israel left Gaza, it also left parts of the West Bank as well). The idea was to minimize friction with Palestinian society as much as possible. This came about after Israelis were disappointed by the failure of the Oslo Accords. Basically, Israeli society thought that if they couldn't negotiate an agreement to create two separate states because the Palestinian leadership refused to compromise, they would 'force' a separation on the ground without the other side. This way, soldiers wouldn't have to deal with civilians on a day-to-day basis, and the friction would be reduced. And Israel's public wouldn't feel as responsible for the Palestinians. The plan was to implement a similar approach in the West Bank. The thing is, almost immediately after Israel left Gaza, there was a civil war in the Gaza Strip between Hamas and the PLO. Hamas won (the war was brutal), and they had wide support in the Gaza Strip. Israel chose not to become directly involved in this conflict. It seems that Israelis believed that supporting the PLO could be seen as illegitimate by the Palestinians. They also thought it might be easier to deal with the Palestinians if they had divided leadership. After Hamas took power, Israel implemented strict restrictions on the Hamas regime, particularly regarding military supplies entering Gaza. This might give the impression of a prison-like environment imposed by Israel and Egypt But I think that Israelis and Egyptians have allowed almost everything to enter, and they have taken steps since then to try and aid Gaza's development (they've allowed people from Gaza to enter Israel for work). Maybe more could have been done, but it's doubtful that it would significantly impact Hamas's regime. I don't know if that policy turned out to be smart or not, but I think it was a valid course of action to achieve the Israeli strategic goal of separation between the Palestinian society and the Israeli society to two different states (which is a valid goal). Many Israelis supported this until 7/10, but the Hamas attack changed a lot, and I think the situation is too chaotic to make a valid prediction about this. I think that a better strategy, instead of leaving Gaza completely, would be to allow the Israeli army to access the area, with some sort of autonomy for the Palestinians similar to the arrangement in the A zone. I believe this would result in a much safer situation with minimum friction. Some Israelis believe that the settlements that disrupt the continuity of the Palestinian population (not all settlements do that) are responsible for the improved situation, as where there are settlements, there must be an army to protect them. This is a valid point, but I think the friction it adds to the conflict is significant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) @Scholar We sould invite the UN council to go through some educational visit in the kibbuts and villages near gasa strip. Maybe it will change and develop his mind. Edited October 25, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Nabd said: Israel just attacked Aleppo airport for the 4th time in 2 weeks. This is the 7th attack on Syria by Israel in 2 weeks and one of the attacks resulted in 2 civilian casualties. There were hundreds if not thousands of Israeli attacks on Syria since the 70s and still no response from the axis of resistance. Because it is aimed at Iran, not Syria, and Syria is deeply stuck in the mess of its civil war. Iran is trying to replicate a similar situation in Syria as it has in Lebanon with Hezbollah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 The US is allegedly making plans to evacuate the people with citizenship from israel in worst case scenario, like 900k ppl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 5 hours ago, PurpleTree said: but why don’t you care as much about uyghurs, kurds, tibetans, women in iran etc? @lina also? Who said I don't? the focus is on Gaza right now because civilians at this minute are being killed, their houses are leveled, with no fuel and very minimum humanitarian aid allowed, which makes it an urgent humanitarian crisis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-denying-visas-to-un-officials-after-guterres-seemed-to-justify-hamas-assault/ Israel denying visas to UN officials after Guterres seemed to justify Hamas assault That's what happens when you spoil a child for too long, it becomes a narcissist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nabd said: I was surprised Guterres actually said what he said and he didn't even say much. We need people to challenge Israeli narrative of only being victims and having nothing to do with the terror thats unleashed on them. The UN and multiple human rights organizations have already been challenging the Israeli narrative for a long time, but no action is ever taken because USA/Europe seem to always veto any resolution on Israel's accountability. Edited October 25, 2023 by lina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, DawnC said: Because it is aimed at Iran, not Syria, and Syria is deeply stuck in the mess of its civil war. Iran is trying to replicate a similar situation in Syria as it has in Lebanon with Hezbollah. What happened in Syria was a revolution, not a civil war. The only war that happened in Syria the last 13 years is Assad’s war on the Syrian people so he can stay in power Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 Imagine being a refugee in your own country and then dying from an air strike. 5 Syrian refugeess died yesterday from a Russian air strike on a refugee camp in northwestern Syria. I wonder how “everyone acts from good intention” apply to this scenario? how can a pilot drop bombs on civilians and have good intentions? I don’t understand this part of Leo’s teaching Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 Axis of resistance? More like axis of shitistance ☺️ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 Get bibi the f away from politics and make harari president https://www.youtube.com/live/BpDdHIRzxo8?si=AZ20Rr1oTMNEtiAp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Nabd said: Israel killed 18 Syrian soldier today in the south and no response for over 50 years straight. 23 hours ago, Harikrishnan said: What is the goal of Israel doing that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
