Posted October 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nabd said: I think there will be alot of questions raised to how Hamas surprised the IDF and Natenyahu will try to prolong this conflict as much as possible to avoid facing the families of the victims. Yes, Netanayu's days are politically numbered. A good reason for him to prolong this was as much as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: Ok that makes sense. Often the people who were muslims and or had bad experiences become the biggest opponents. Which is fair. I’ve seen videos from a guy. He used to be a muslim extremist and then went to jail. Now he is one of the biggest opponents of islam and islamic extremism in europe and says they should be kicked out of europe. He became a christian. He always quotes the quran against muslims in debates/fights. To me growing up non religious all this seems quite silly Yeah, Anyway, my opinion on Islam is not for personal reasons, I have tried to understand it, I have traveled to several Islamic countries, I have read the Koran, I have met Muslims and be friends with them and my conclusion is that Islam is a disease for the human being. All religions are ultimately false, since they are mental structures. They are necessary for the psychological balance of humans and point to a reality beyond the material, which in some way is real, but of all, Islam is the one that subjects humans the most, castrates their spirit, turns them into a cowardly and submissive beings that can't think by themselves, liars and mean. Christianity can have the same effect, but it's more flexible, allows more freedom , and over all, in the christians countries we are not christian anymore, it has became an option. When in the Muslims countries it became like that, maybe the island could recover the spirit of ibn Arabi, one of the most talented místics ever Edited October 12, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Yeah, Anyway, my opinion on Islam is not for personal reasons, I have tried to understand it, I have traveled to several Islamic countries, I have read the Koran, I have met Muslims and be friends with them and my conclusion is that Islam is a disease for the human being. All religions are ultimately false, since they are mental structures. They are necessary for the psychological balance of humans and point to a reality beyond the material, which in some way is real, but of all, Islam is the one that subjects humans the most, castrates their spirit, turns them into a cowardly and submissive beings that can't think by themselves, liars and mean. Christianity can have the same effect, but it's more flexible, allows more freedom , and over all, in the christians countries we are not christian anymore, it has became an option. When in the Muslims countries it became like that, maybe the island could recover the spirit of ibn Arabi, one of the most talented místics ever Its true that structures that are too rigid can bring about rebellion, but it's also true that structures that are too loose or even the lack of structure can bring about chaos. Those that reflexively go against all structure and wish to deconstruct the structures that failed them, make the mistake of Godifying freedom. And freedom for people who can't handle it are instead destroyed by it. Freedom requires the responsibility of the individual to structure himself rather than borrow the structural guard rails external to him. Those lacking the disciple of structure and equating freedom with licentiousness undo the glory they think freedom could have brought them. As the saying goes - discipline is freedom. We can't escape structure, even if we get rid of mental structure we are still beholden to a biological structure that if given in to and lived by alone will lead us to hedonistically destroy ourselves. It's easy to say religions are false and fictional, and this is true partially - but from a higher understanding we can approach them to see their value also. Fiction is an ordered art form that triumphs chaos, and that makes the order of a truth that is too chaotic for the logical mind. We could say everything is a fiction or 'maya', but that doesn't mean it has no functional value. The key is in not ascribing a divine value (Life and Love itself) to things that have functional value (Lifestyles/ways of life and lust). The function of lust for example is to pro-create, the value of love is to be one with creation itself. Edited October 12, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: Yeah, Anyway, my opinion on Islam is not for personal reasons, I have tried to understand it, I have traveled to several Islamic countries, I have read the Koran, I have met Muslims and be friends with them and my conclusion is that Islam is a disease for the human being. All religions are ultimately false, since they are mental structures. They are necessary for the psychological balance of humans and point to a reality beyond the material, which in some way is real, but of all, Islam is the one that subjects humans the most, castrates their spirit, turns them into a cowardly and submissive beings that can't think by themselves, liars and mean. Christianity can have the same effect, but it's more flexible, allows more freedom , and over all, in the christians countries we are not christian anymore, it has became an option. When in the Muslims countries it became like that, maybe the island could recover the spirit of ibn Arabi, one of the most talented místics ever As long as any person from any religion believes religions exist for their welfare and not that they exist for the religion's welfare, all religions are well and good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 51 minutes ago, Nabd said: There was a tiktok by a female IDF soldier who served on the wall surrounding Gaza before. She was explaining how not even a pigeon can cross without them noticing. If somebody have the link please post it. The matter is very mysterious. This absence of surveillance on the border seems impossible, especially with a rave with thousands of people nearby. But on the other hand, how can Hamas plan an attack knowing that not even a pigeon crosses? Mossad called him and told him: guys, this day we leave the passage free, you can carry out a massacre, and then we will destroy Gaza. deal? it's very strange Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) @zazen Look, the thing is simple, if you want to be a Muslim, or a Christian, or worship Satan, perfect, it is your life. The problem is if the government forces you, and if you draw a drawing of Muhammad they kill you. then you live in institutionalized schizophrenia But the problem is that the nature of Islam is such that it requires it to be a state religion. freedom is not tolerated Edited October 12, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: @zazen Look, the thing is simple, if you want to be a Muslim, or a Christian, or worship Satan, perfect, it is your life. The problem is if the government forces you, and if you draw a drawing of Muhammad they kill you. then you live in institutionalized schizophrenia But the problem is that the nature of Islam is such that it requires it to be a state religion. freedom is not tolerated Je suis charlie ? it’s not necessarily that islam is the problem, extremists are the problem. But Islam seems to produce many extremists Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: Je suis charlie ? it’s not necessarily that islam is the problem, extremists are the problem. But Islam seems to produce many extremists 1 hour ago, Nabd said: A Dutch politician organized a Muhammad caricature contest (obviously the guy has a 24-hour bodyguard), and for this reason Pakistan threatened to cut off international relations with Holland. At the end the contest was cancelled to avoid a massacre. Institutionalized madness, mandatory schizophrenia. It's so ridiculous that it seems impossible, but it's reality. Pakistan, nuclear power Edited October 12, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: A Dutch politician, who is not even in the government, organized a Muhammad caricature contest (obviously the guy has a 24-hour bodyguard), and for this reason Pakistan threatened to cut off international relations with Holland. At the end the contest was cancelled to avoid a massacre. Institutionalized madness, mandatory schizophrenia. It's so ridiculous that it seems impossible, but it's reality. Pakistan, nuclear power If they were cool they would just make a caricature of dutch people, dutch king and jesus or something. But they aren’t cool, they’re whack ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: If they were cool they would just make a caricature of dutch people, dutch king and jesus or something. But they aren’t cool, they’re whack ? They are demons who want to castrate the humans using the terror Edited October 12, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 @Breakingthewall I understand where you’re coming from. There are states where Islamic teaching manifest in an extreme manner. The problem then is not religion but the state. The Quran has a whole chapter devoted specifically on how to deal woth non-muslims: Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. I am not in favor of following religion mindlessly. But religion provides the initial structure needed to stop you from falling into traps and equipping you with the necessary theory. Yes, one has to be careful not to take religion too literally and there comes a stage when you have to transcend religion, which is scary and advanced. But it’s a nice start, especially if you find the right teacher. "The wise seek wisdom, a fool has found it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 Btw, UK Home Secretary says waving the Palestinian flag might be a hate crime. What are they even thinking? "The wise seek wisdom, a fool has found it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, HMD said: The Quran has a whole chapter devoted specifically on how to deal woth non-muslims: Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship Interesting. In hadices It is explained how to stone an adulterous woman. how far it has to be buried, and the size of the stones, they should not kill on the first try. They also explain the thickness of the stick with which to hit your wife, like a thumb, and the force, not excessive to break, but enough to cause pain. It also explains how to treat your slaves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 @HMD 5 minutes ago, HMD said: Btw, UK Home Secretary says waving the Palestinian flag might be a hate crime. What are they even thinking? They don't want to be seen supporting HAMAs, so they choose the side that feels comfy for them to support. I don't know how they could ever do that, but fear of terrorists is a real feeling, and deep fear, and nobody wants to be seen supporting that. For example, who wants to be a defense lawyer for a pedophile? To go out and challenge the eye witness testimonies, who you may or may not know is truth? So, because of the thought terminating cliche in psychology, which the mind avoids the thing that makes it uncomfortable, they don't defend pedophiles but are happy to prosecute them, even if allegations are false, because of deep social stigma. It's also based on many developmental factors like spiral dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, 9 stages of ego development, Architypes and shadow work, other lines of development in society and life domains, ideological beliefs indoctrinated from family upbringing, community, peers and teachers in education schools, tv channels, radio, news papers, news outlets, social media sites, mainstream/alternative news sources, books, films, arts, and so many more points of data in the information ecology we consume from big tech companies and other companies via manufactured consent, which influences our biases and preferences and thinking towards worlds and other people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 What do you guys think about this line of thinking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said: What do you guys think about this line of thinking? Typical, don't confront the bully, because if we do he gets angry. We are going to keep him happy, so he doesn't hit us. And so we are a caricature of what it means to be human. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: the mind avoids the thing that makes it uncomfortable Yeah that what I had in the back of my head, thanks for putting it into words. But I thought the UK was one of the more green countries, and SD stage green is very inclusive. Perhaps it’s only at stage Yellow that one accepts even the extreme stuff and suspend complete judgement. Additionally, it could be that fear cause a regression in development. "The wise seek wisdom, a fool has found it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 @Rafael Thundercat That’s the only viable way forward, imo. "The wise seek wisdom, a fool has found it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Another horrendous take from Destiny. This is why I claim that there are perverse incentives in the internet/online spaces which leads to many mental health issues, and polarization of all sides involved in a conflict: Obviously there are differences between the Ukraine/Russia conflict versus the Israel/Palestine conflict, but there's also that deep hypocrisy from pro Ukraine supporting Ukraine becoming NATO, but condemn HAMAs and Palestinians partly supporting them, I mean they're freedom fighters from Palestine's point of view even if they're a shady group, but then don't be a hypocrite and be pro Ukraine. Also you owe John Mearsheimer a apology for character assassinating him in your streams, and go argue his arguments instead of saying he's a Neo Nazi supporter. Cringe. Edited October 12, 2023 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
