New War In Israel / Gaza

[zazen]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem is the trend, you can see photos of Kabul in 1970 and it looked like Europe, with women dressed in fashion, but the disease called Islam has an evolution in a clear direction 

https://www.gettyimages.es/fotos/afghanistan-in-the-1970s

Wahhabism is a particular strand of Islam that isn't effective in human flourishing, correct - neither are particular strands of any philosophy, religion or lifestyle.

 

The strand of liberal progressivism that now occupies the West hasn't been effective either. An excerpt below remarking on the state of the West as it stands:

 

''Westerners are more mentally ill than they've ever been before and there exists a dearth of rationality in public discourse. Everything's hyper emotionalised and exaggerated, reactive + bereft of stoicism.

Westerners are, quite simply, going nuts, because the natural order has been disrupted, and because the disruption of that order has taken the steady political and communal functioning of their families away from them, and the stability that provides.

Combine that with Godlessness, and you have mass misery. There is no purpose, nor sense of connection to anything - just an endless hedonic treadmill of capital pursuit - an obsession with money. That's all that remains to fill the gaping void left by social breakdown.

And so a high trust culture becomes a low trust culture, and the height of civilization becomes the global laughing stock. Loneliness is greater than ever despite connectivity being greater than ever - a dark and poetic irony. People are miserable, but they think is normal.

And our governments try to export this to you. They try to break you like us, to destroy you in the way they destroyed their own people. And if your government tries to preserve your culture and defy their social edicts, they subject you to regime change to impose their ways.

But the main regime that needs changing is the one that goes around trying to change everyone else's. The regime that broke its own people, then exports its dysfunction globally and labels it progress, when not doing as they say leads to punishment and lack of foreign investment.

As a westerner, I would like to think the west is a force for good in the world - but I struggle to see it. I am not treasonous or self-loathing, I love our heritage, but I am observant. And the culture we are exporting is poisonous. Where we once civilized we simply now corrupt.

The most ardent anti-westerners will of course deny we ever civilized anything at all. That the western man was always evil, never did any good for the world, and deserves the current doom befalling him - I don't believe that, but I appreciate why they might hold this sentiment. ''

 

[Mohammad]

6 minutes ago, Nabd said:

Saudis don't work. They bring slaves to work for them and they take their passports so they can't leave. They call this system "Kafala" which they introduced in 1960s after the UN forced them to abolish slavery (literally), they still kept slavery but with makeup.

I used to live in Dubai. Same system is in place over there as well. People from India, pakistan, bangladesh. Modern day slavery.

[zazen]

2 minutes ago, Nabd said:

One of the most important aspects that don't get talked about much when discussing why Muslim countries are backward today is slavery.

Up until the 19th century or maybe a bit earlier, slavery was rampant and Muslims took slaves from Europe and Africa by the millions. This kept them economically ahead of everyone.

I remember one sheikh said "do you want to end this economic crisis in Egypt? Just allow us to Jihad and take European slaves! We raid them and everyone comes back with a blonde and some money". He wasn't wrong.

Interesting take on this.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Nabd said:

Saudis don't work. They bring slaves to work for them and they take their passports so they can't leave.

The US is run on Hispanic migrant labor too.

Of course Saudi is gonna be worse because it's much less developed.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Mohammad]

1 minute ago, Nabd said:

I honestly think this is just a deal between Israel and Iran. They traded Gaza and Hamas in return Iran would be safe in Syria and Iraq. Because the US brought huge ass amount of forces into Syria recently and it looked like they will do another Saddam Hussein against Assad.

This could be true as well, but i think it's unlikely. The situation in Iran will change. European and Americans are just waiting for the right opportunity. The Iranian regime cannot last for much loner, sanctions has crippled the country, and they are infighting all the time. The problem is their presence in the region, in the form of quds force, hezbolla, houthis, hashad shabi in iraq , hamas to some degree etc. Their proxies. If their proxies get weak, they have no upper hand in the region anymore. And then the western countries can increase the pressure on them much more. And then they will collapse

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, zazen said:

Men do not just exist to control, but to guide and protect. It's not as if every man she knows is conspiring to make her life hell. Such a notion is a ridiculous caricature of patriarchy

Obviously they are not aware of what are they doing. bury themselves in a mountain of fear, sadness and hatred.

What you say about there being depression in Europe is very funny. The situation of women, who make up 50% of the population, in Muslim countries, is one of submission. There is no depression because it is normal to be depressed. sadness is its natural state. Obviously if you have to take care of 7 small children, that keeps you busy, balanced, with a sense of purpose. but if that's not the case, you're in hell. University women who wants to be open are in no man's land, you find some very brave ones who are strong, normally their dream is to leave the Muslim world. All of them that I met say: never with a Muslim. My experience is only Morocco and turkey, maybe another countries are different

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The US is run on Hispanic migrant labor too.

Of course Saudi is gonna be worse because it's much less developed.

I would say that the Saudis are at the head of the Muslim world in terms of moral tyranny, repression of women and extreme racism. They have Filipino slaves, they can kill and rape them and they will not receive punishment. They sleep overcrowded and are prisoners without being able to leave the country.

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The US is run on Hispanic migrant labor too.

Nah you can’t compare it.

US is creative see bill gates, jobs silicon valley, hollywood etc. Saudis and Emiratis etc are not

even the burj khalifa highest building was designed by americans not arabs (and built by indians probably for almost nothing)

Edited October 11, 2023 by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Nabd said:

Yes.

Saudis barely work and you will hardly find them on creative or highly educated jobs.

Even their education system. They bring Egyptians, Iraqi and Syrians to teach their kids. They bring east asian maids to raise their kids. In university most professors are also foreigners. Only recently they started "Saudizing" these jobs and they fired many people but they got a shortage because Saudis dont work.

All these projects people see of Neom and almukaab or almurabaa are run by foreigners, not that these projects reflect any real development though.

Yah that’s why i said oil is holding them back. It’s like a handout by god/the government, can make you lazy and complacent

Edited October 11, 2023 by PurpleTree

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Nabd said:

It's my right as a Muslim to take a Jewish sexual slave like Hamas did. That's much different than capitalism for example.

One of the objectives of jihad is to obtain sexual slaves. This is legitimized by the Islamic religion.

One of the attractions of joining Daesh was that, I think it was very widespread with the Yazidis.

The thing is that if you want to be a true Muslim you must accept this, since not doing so is going against Islam. You can't agree with some parts of Islam and not others, you have to accept all of them, and jihad and enslaving 12 year old girls for sex is part of Islam

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Nabd said:

think the reason why Israel wanted this war asap is very simple: today it is possible to use drone attacks and we've seen what kind of damage it does so Israel wanted to end Gaza asap to avoid having to deal with this technology reach Hamas en mass.

Interesting insight

[Danioover9000]

   Interesting talk from Piers Morgan:

 

[StarStruck]

About that festival near the border of Gaza. Am I the only one who thinks that is cynical? People have no water and food and live in poverty in that open air concentration camp called Gaza and you go there to shake your ass? Personally the smell of pussy would turn me crazy too. ?

[Danioover9000]

@StarStruck

2 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

About that festival near the border of Gaza. Am I the only one who thinks that is cynical? People have no water and food and live in poverty in that open air concentration camp called Gaza and you go there to shake your ass? Personally the smell of pussy would turn me crazy too. ?

   Yeah it's cold blooded and immoral.?

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I really like these articles:

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/10/10/23911661/hamas-israel-war-gaza-palestine-explainer
 

With this article being the more important one:

https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history

[PurpleTree]

17 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

About that festival near the border of Gaza. Am I the only one who thinks that is cynical? People have no water and food and live in poverty in that open air concentration camp called Gaza and you go there to shake your ass? Personally the smell of pussy would turn me crazy too. ?

maybe they were partying for the freedom of palestinians.

i’m assuming those partygoers weren’t right wingers

there have been many protests inside isreal for palestinians

[StarStruck]

19 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

maybe they were partying for the freedom of palestinians.

i’m assuming those partygoers weren’t right wingers

there have been many protests inside isreal for palestinians

You don't get it don't you... How is shaking your ass taunting starving Palestinians have anything to do with freedom for Palestinians? It is just freedom to get drunk or high and fuck. Something that Palestinians see as a sin.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

You don't get it don't you... How is shaking your ass taunting starving Palestinians have anything to do with freedom for Palestinians? It is just freedom to get drunk or high and fuck. Something that Palestinians see as a sin.

Ok relax there freedom fighter

[mmKay]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What creates terrorists?

New episode for this week?

[StarStruck]

21 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok relax there freedom fighter

Go and dance near the fence ?