New War In Israel / Gaza

[Scholar]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Being a billionaire and being conservative is no fun.

What do you think of the socialist-lefts response to this?

[StarStruck]

11 minutes ago, zurew said:

Hasan cheering on and rationalizing Hamas muslims killing , raping jews is the most ironic thing in the world.

 

 

Jews need to fix their collective unconscious , they have become the nazi officers ...

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

I am not saying you support it but you do justify it, like for everything bad and horrendous you feel the need to play it down and relativize it. 

No, I feel the need to understand it. And yes, relativity is a huge factor in understanding it.

I don't accept this sort of Bush/Biden position of "Terrorism is evil, full stop." This is not serious understanding, this is childishness.

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

What do you think of the socialist-lefts response to this?

I don't understand your question.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't understand your question.

The socialist-left's response to the terrorist attack in general.

[Mohammad]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

No, I feel the need to understand it. And yes, relativity is a huge factor in understanding it.

 

This is hard, even for people in this forum, who are interested in development. Our instinct wants to pick sides, not understand. Thanks for giving us this perspective Leo.

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The socialist-left's response to the terrorist attack in general.

From what I've seen, leftists are split on this. Some are so blind they support Hamas out of their love for Palestinians. More reasonable people on the left condemn the terrorism as much as people on the right.

Any reasonable person is gonna condemn the terrorism. But all terrorism has a broader context, which usually goes ignored. I am interested in exploring that context. What creates terrorists?

What I liked least about the whole 9/11 era was that no one was seriously asking what creates terrorism? Which should have been the top question.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

that’s a few days ago

« Activists have accused Iran's morality police of beating a girl for not wearing a hijab and posted a photo purportedly showing her in a coma.

Armita Geravand, 16, collapsed after boarding a Tehran metro train at Shohada station on Sunday.

Officials said she fainted and released CCTV footage in which she is seen being pulled unconscious from the train.

Human rights group Hengaw alleged that she was subjected to "a severe physical assault" by morality police officers. »

 

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67004886.amp

That's normal, 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/08/saudi-arabia-drop-ludicrous-conviction-and-death-sentence-against-man-convicted-over-social-media-posts/ 

Islamic countries repress with extreme harshness any sign of freedom

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Any reasonable person is gonna condemn the terrorism. But all terrorism has a broader context, which usually goes ignored. I am interested in exploring that context.

What about hitlers broader context to do all that stuff? Or do you think terrorism in particular has a broader context because it comes from a mix of hate and hopelessness?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What about hitlers broader context to do all that stuff?

Yes, I was also interested in understanding Hitler when I was young. When I was 17 or so I bought and started reading Mein Kampf to try to understand Hitler. I read Stalin's biography. I read Saddam Hussein's biography. I read Lenin's biography. I read Mao's biography. I read Genghis Khan's biography. I read about North Korea. I studied Osama Bin Laden's ideology.

If Satan had an autobiography, I would happily read it.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's normal, 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/08/saudi-arabia-drop-ludicrous-conviction-and-death-sentence-against-man-convicted-over-social-media-posts/ 

Islamic countries repress with extreme harshness any sign of freedom

Here you have to differentiate between countries and even regions imo though. Places like Iran, Saudi etc in that regard extremely backwards and repressive. While other places are more forward. You could say the more they take Islam serious the more backwards/repressive though in a way

Edited October 11, 2023 by PurpleTree

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

 

30 minutes ago, zazen said:

But the main regime that needs changing is the one that goes around trying to change everyone else's

Yes, with the small nuance that it is not a regime, it is the natural evolution of a free society. Are you afraid of freedom and prefer a prison where there is only obedience? Not me. Freedom can lead to loneliness, madness, emptiness, but death a thousand times sooner than the prison with which the fearful lock themselves in, without the slightest doubt.

[MsNobody]

 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I was also interested in understanding Hitler when I was young. When I was 17 or so I bought and started reading Mein Kampf to try to understand Hitler.

I think hitler is interesting

he was into the occult and more sensitive it seems than other dictators like stalin, mussolini, jong uns, pol pot etc

a failed artist ? also too much drugs

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Mormegil said:

I think studying standard history books about WW I and the politics of Europe and especially Germany of that era will give you more insights into understanding Hitler^^ His book is a joke.

Of course I didn't just read his book. I also read other books.

Yes, Mein Kampf is a bad read. But I didn't know that at the time.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Peo]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

From what I've seen, leftists are split on this. Some are so blind they support Hamas out of their love for Palestinians. More reasonable people on the left condemn the terrorism as much as people on the right.

Norway condemns attacks on Isreal, but is the only western country that refuse to call Hamas for an terrorist organization. It has created a lot of split in nowegian poltics. 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Peo said:

Norway condemns attacks on Isreal, but is the only western country that refuse to call Hamas for an terrorist organization. It has created a lot of split in nowegian poltics. 

Intresting

but Norway is only like a five million country

what about Ireland (another 5 million country) weren’t they very supportive of the « palestinian cause » ?

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Here you have to differentiate between countries and even regions imo though. Places like Iran, Saudi etc in that regard extremely backwards and repressive. While other places are more forward. You could say the more they take Islam serious the more backwards/repressive though in a way

The problem is the trend, you can see photos of Kabul in 1970 and it looked like Europe, with women dressed in fashion, but the disease called Islam has an evolution in a clear direction 

https://www.gettyimages.es/fotos/afghanistan-in-the-1970s

[zazen]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's normal, 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/08/saudi-arabia-drop-ludicrous-conviction-and-death-sentence-against-man-convicted-over-social-media-posts/ 

Islamic countries repress with extreme harshness any sign of freedom

Demeaning an entire religious group of 2 billion people because some of them incompetently perform their responsibilities and abuse their position to cause undue harm is foolish and short-sighted. 

Most muslim men are not monsters looking to cause harm and it's ignorantly offensive and unjust to characterise them as such. 

In Islam and in their patriarchal structure the conduct of wives, sisters and daughters is regulated by fathers, brothers, uncles and husbands - incidences of mistreatment from a man towards the women in his family or community is dealt with by other men.

Men do not just exist to control, but to guide and protect. It's not as if every man she knows is conspiring to make her life hell. Such a notion is a ridiculous caricature of patriarchy. 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem is the trend, you can see photos of Kabul in 1970 and it looked like Europe, with women dressed in fashion, but the disease called Islam has an evolution in a clear direction 

https://www.gettyimages.es/fotos/afghanistan-in-the-1970s

Well seems mostly because the soviets came and the u.s. started supporting the extremists

[Mohammad]

9 minutes ago, Nabd said:

But sadly I just don't think its as simple as Israel vs Iran. The Egyptians, since they have spies/connections in Gaza, warned Israel 10 days ago that an attack is near. Yet Israel did nothing, this means that Israel wanted Hamas to force them to go to war. Which means Israel either fooled Iran or they did some kind of deal.

This makes sense to me, and I think this is true to some degree. They definitely fooled mullas, because israel is smarter, and they will do damage to iranian regime. The iranian regime is afraid, although they pretend that they are happy about the attack, but the narrative has shifted, world powers are supporting israel, and this spells trouble for IRGC and hence the mullas.