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[Princess Arabia]

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Ways to curb sugar cravings.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Just eat what the US food pyramide tells you to eat basically, but without the top 2 stages (junk food sugary shit and various vegetable oils) and in a reverse order. While consuming the most high quality meat and animal products and consuming them as raw as you're willing to risk it (the more you cook them, the more nutrients you'll destroy and the more carcinogens you'll create but at the same time if you don't cook them at all you'll risk exposing yourself to some life threatening ilnesses so it is a carefull trade off you have to make). Any recipes that would abide by these principles are basically perfect. If you can visualize the pyramide you'll know how I meant it

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Just eat what the US food pyramide tells you to eat basically, but without the top 2 stages (junk food sugary shit and various vegetable oils) and in a reverse order. While consuming the most high quality meat and animal products and consuming them as raw as you're willing to risk it (the more you cook them, the more nutrients you'll destroy and the more carcinogens you'll create but at the same time if you don't cook them at all you'll risk exposing yourself to some life threatening ilnesses so it is a carefull trade off you have to make). Any recipes that would abide by these principles are basically perfect. If you can visualize the pyramide you'll know how I meant it

 

Please stop trusting the FDA.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Princess Arabia The pyramid is fine like I said, you just have to take out top 2 layers and reverse it, eating mostly meat and animal products, then carbohydrates (important energy source and somewhat important for the brain), and then lastly vegetables.

The pyramide could be a scam but that's how most people throught history (since the start of civilization) were eating, while meat was reserved for the rich. The wheat and vegetables were for the slaves. That's how it always was. It's the only way to sustain the population we have/had so in a way it's completely understandable but if you individually still have the choice to eat meat then you should probably do so. But that's just my opinion.

[Michael569]

I don't mean to intrude as this isn't my thread but The Food Pyramid isn't really a thing anymore. The 1980s model has long ago been fine tuned into what is now the current 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans, one of the most rigorous assessments and recommendations for all ages. It includes advice on eating pre-conception all the way to 65 years + which makes it the most rigorous assessment of its kind. 

This is the link to all 835 pages of it, if anyone cares. https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/2020-advisory-committee-report

The current guidelines have adjusted for a lot of those old criticisms and I'd say is a good to read although it takes a while and some of it is painfully administrative I admit.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Michael569

[Princess Arabia]

29 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Princess Arabia The pyramid is fine like I said, you just have to take out top 2 layers and reverse it, eating mostly meat and animal products, then carbohydrates (important energy source and somewhat important for the brain), and then lastly vegetables.

The pyramide could be a scam but that's how most people throught history (since the start of civilization) were eating, while meat was reserved for the rich. The wheat and vegetables were for the slaves. That's how it always was. It's the only way to sustain the population we have/had so in a way it's completely understandable but if you individually still have the choice to eat meat then you should probably do so. But that's just my opinion.

ok

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

I don't mean to intrude as this isn't my thread

No such thing. This thread isn't owned by anyone. As long as the post or comment is related, anyone can comment or post and such is always welcomed.

[Sugarcoat]

I like what Simon Hill, nutritionist, said, something along the lines of “if we can’t trust science to tell us what the optimal diet is then why would we trust a person on social media to do it” it really speaks to this thing of who we should listen to.

From what I’ve heard from him and major dietary guidelines, the science says a plant predominant diet is proven to be optimal and lessen disease risk especially heart disease

Edited December 27, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I like what Simon Hill, nutritionist, said, something along the lines of “if we can’t trust science to tell us what the optimal diet is then why would we trust a person on social media to do it” it really speaks to this thing of who we should listen to.

From what I’ve heard from him and major dietary guidelines, the science says a plant predominant diet is proven to be optimal and lessen disease risk especially heart disease

Well "science" gave me poor energy/strength, massive brain fog, gas, and severe colon pain.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Sugarcoat

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

and lessen disease risk especially heart disease

So you're implying that meat causes heart dissease. Yes, the shit meat products we're consuming today do cause heart dissease because they are cooked on vegetable oils, riddled with preservatives and it's gained from largely unhealthy animals from these massive animal farms. Show me a study of people eating actually good quality meat that's at least semi raw so it conserves most of the nutrients that concludes people get heart dissease from consuming such meat. I'll wait.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Sugarcoat

So you're implying that meat causes heart dissease. Yes, the shit meat products we're consuming today do cause heart dissease because they are cooked on vegetable oils, riddled with preservatives and it's gained from largely unhealthy animals from these massive animal farms. Show me a study of people eating actually good quality meat that's at least semi raw so it conserves most of the nutrients that concludes people get heart dissease from consuming such meat. I'll wait.

From what I’ve heard the science says excess saturated fat makes cholesterol higher and that increases risk for heart disease. So that saturated fat could come from meat yea, regardless of its quality . It’s about the quantity you eat

Edited December 27, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Well "science" gave me poor energy/strength, massive brain fog, gas, and severe colon pain.

When you ate plant predominant? 

[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

When you ate plant predominant? 

Yes.

The problem is not even the vegetables, the vegetables are fine, the problem came mainly from the starches: beans, potatoes, pseudo-cereals, whole grains, unripe bananas etc.

If I let myself go to my instinct, I arrive on a kind of diet based on pork, chicken, fish, oysters, goat or sheep dairy products, eggs, green vegetables, fake vegetables (onion, garlic, carrots, tomato...) olive oil/rapeseed/sunflower/coconut, nuts seeds and puree (tahini, peanut butter...), and white rice/pastas.

But i've already said you that i think.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

13 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes.

The problem is not even the vegetables, the vegetables are fine, the problem came mainly from the starches: beans, potatoes, pseudo-cereals, whole grains, unripe bananas etc.

If I let myself go to my instinct, I arrive on a kind of diet based on pork, chicken, fish, oysters, goat or sheep dairy products, eggs, green vegetables, fake vegetables (onion, garlic, carrots, tomato...) olive oil/rapeseed/sunflower/coconut, nuts seeds and puree (tahini, peanut butter...), and white rice/pastas.

But i've already said you that i think.

I don’t know enough to say whether I agree or not regarding the starches being a problem. My first instinct was to say to whether you have some sensitivities and problems with your gut if you react so badly to them. Like ibs or something. So maybe the problem isn’t the starches but rather that you have a sensitive gut. I don’t know. The diet you mentioned btw doesn’t sound too bad, depends on in what ratios you eat the foods.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

27 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

From what I’ve heard the science says excess saturated fat makes cholesterol higher and that increases risk for heart disease. So that saturated fat could come from meat yea, regardless of its quality . It’s about the quantity you eat

That is way too simplistic. Cholesterol being the #1 thing that's bad for you was a theory propagated (and was originated) in the previous century, but as it turns out it's actually the sugar, or the complex carbohydrates that's mostly responsible for heart dissease. Mostly from eating junk. Cholesterol is actually good for you and necessary for your survival. And there's no way a good healthy meat and animal products would increase it to such a degree to which it would be a problem. And if it can, again - show me the proof. There's no actual study observing effects of this kind of diet.

Plant based diet without meat or animal products lacks at least 5-6 micronutrients and that's just the bare minimum, it likely lacks more. Artificial supplementation is not enough

[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

That is way too simplistic. Cholesterol being the #1 thing that's bad for you was a theory propagated (and was originated) in the previous century, but as it turns out it's actually the sugar, or the complex carbohydrates that's mostly responsible for heart dissease. Mostly from eating junk. Cholesterol is actually good for you and necessary for your survival. And there's no way a good healthy meat and animal products would increase it to such a degree to which it would be a problem. And if it can, again - show me the proof. There's no actual study observing effects of this kind of diet.

Plant based diet without meat or animal products lacks at least 5-6 micronutrients and that's just the bare minimum, it likely lacks more. Artificial supplementation is not enough

I didn’t say cholesterol in food was a problem, but that too much saturated fat is. That too much saturated fat (which exists in animal products mainly) raises the bad cholesterol  in the body and increases risk of heart disease. It doesn’t mean saturated fat is bad altogether but that it’s bad in excess amounts. So I’m not advocating for a fully plant based diet, but a plant dominant one. Which most science advocates too.

”Show me the proof” I’m no expert in this so I don’t have specific studies I’ve read but I’m basing my claims on the guidelines and some people I follow and find credible. I’m always trying to be open though and learn more

How are complex carbs causing heart disease? Excess sugar I can see how that’s unhealthy but complex carbs?

[Michael569]

47 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

If I let myself go to my instinct, I arrive on a kind of diet based on pork, chicken, fish, oysters, goat or sheep dairy products, eggs, green vegetables, fake vegetables (onion, garlic, carrots, tomato...) olive oil/rapeseed/sunflower/coconut, nuts seeds and puree (tahini, peanut butter...), and white rice/pastas.

Am i wrong or have you been playing around with your diet? Seems much closer to a nicely balanced approach in concordance with the guidelines compared to our last conversation:). I'm (pleasantly) surprised to see you include PUFA -rich oils which I recall you opposed mechanistically. 

Either way, seems like you're heading the right way 😉 that's good.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Michael569

[Schizophonia]

52 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know enough to say whether I agree or not regarding the starches being a problem. My first instinct was to say to whether you have some sensitivities and problems with your gut if you react so badly to them. Like ibs or something. So maybe the problem isn’t the starches but rather that you have a sensitive gut. I don’t know. The diet you mentioned btw doesn’t sound too bad, depends on in what ratios you eat the foods.

Thanks my future sexy nutritionist.

 

Everyone without exception will end up with problems if they eat too much of certain fibers, there are no beans or potatoes in nature. I trusted my senses, every time i trusted my senses i no longer had problems; And contrary to what one might imagine the senses are not pro junk food : Refined, poor quality, non-nutritious products will in fact be disappointing and if you contemplate enough, with enough delicacy, you will realize that it is limiting beliefs that trigger junk food compulsions, much more than pleasure. If you look at happy people, not particularly neurotic, they always choose refined, balanced food, rather than more "dirty" food.

35 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

Am i wrong or have you been playing around with your diet?

Hi Michael.

I just eat what i want, i don’t have the wish to follow a specific diet.

35 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

 

Seems much closer to a nicely balanced approach in concordance with the guidelines compared to our last conversation:). I'm (pleasantly) surprised to see you include PUFA -rich oils which I recall you opposed mechanistically. 
 

Ahah, it’s essentially to tease you.

I was first interested in ray peat but since i don't like drinking milk or eating too much sugar i found it to be of no interest.

 

Animal fats are nice to eat but if i follow my instincts if eat too much something feels wrong, and there are concrete signs that are not orthorexia such as additional difficulty digesting them, especially butter and tallow.

Sunflower oil in France is almost only found in "mufa rich" form and canola oil is a little richer in pufa but with a good o3/06 ratio. The only oils really rich in o6 are weird oils like corn or soybean oil. I allow myself some tahini because it is very good.

My diet is basically close to what someone from the Middle East (Israel, Lebanon, Türkiye, etc.) would eat lol.

 

35 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

Either way, seems like you're heading the right way 😉 that's good.

Thank you professor. 
 

Last step before breatharianism. 

[M A J I]

Read Return to the Brain of Eden: Restoring the Connection between Neurochemistry and Consciousness and EdenBound: Healing Disease with Fruit and Other Plants. The two books go into all that you need to know about the natural human diet and lifestyle, and how we've been mislead our whole lives so humans do not tap into their full potential and break-free from the enslavement.

Its really common sense, unfortunately most people are so heavily brainwashed that the disorder needs to be corrected to be able to see clearly and make the connections. Then again, only when you purify your vessel and experience what it is to feel truly alive and sober, it all starts to make sense. Most people don't even realize, even many plant-based eaters who rely heavily on cooked foods, grains, flour and processed junk, that they are far from being truly sober and what being a truly alive human actually feels like. its a lot of work to regenerate the body but its totally worth it when you do. You can experiment with yourself, just for a few weeks try live on purely tropical and organic fruit, you will feel worlds better than any other diet, and that's because its in your DNA and biology. We evolved this way for far longer than we evolved with meat, grains and vegetables.

Edited December 28, 2024 by M A J I

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Please do not listen to that guy. Most fruits contain nothing but sugar, some contain a few petty vitamins but it's not like you wouldn't be able to get them from other sources. This is the type of diet you can expect to die on the quickest (followed by a more general vegan diet of course)