Dr. Strange in Multiverse of Madness teaches a core lesson

[Razard86]

SPOILER ALERT!!!!The follow passage has a SPOILER for the Marvel Movie Dr. Strange. Read it at your own peril if you have not seen the movie.

Ever wonder why as a human you are not given reality creating powers on an infinite level? Easily....watch the 2nd Dr. Strange movie and you will understand. The villain at its core just wants to experience being a mother, because she loves her children more than everybody else on earth. Look what a person with such a limited form of love would do with that power!!! This is why the more partial your love is, the more disconnected from God you are and the more evil you will create. You see? Goodness is its own reward because Goodness creates peace!!! Notice how the villain has the ability to create whatever she could, and look what she chooses to create because she is not satisfied.

But it goes even deeper than this!!! As a mother she chooses to hide her actions from her children!!! She would never want her children to know about her actions, much less emulate them!!! If any of her kids acted like this it would break her heart. So notice her self-hatred and hypocrisy!! Do as I say not as I do!!! Also because she wants to hide this aspect of herself from her kids, this actually forces her to be FAKE and INAUTHENTIC WITH HER KIDS!! She doesn't want them to REALLY know who she is, just who she PRETENDS to be!!!

This movies is a WONDERFUL lesson why goodness is its own reward and living a life where you abuse your power to gain control over life will only lead to misery, suffering, and you spreading misery and suffering all over the place. Covid is not the real pandemic, it is you desire for control over others to get love that creates suffering. And lastly...here is the last point.....look how much destruction she creates!!! What type of world could you live in, when at the drop of a hat your mom could just nuke anyone and anything if it disturbs you? You can't know true love because anyone that deals with you will be acting out of fear or personal gain. You can't know empathy, because your mom will deny you of that by giving you whatever you want and threatening anybody who opposes you. I mean she literally cannot tell you to forgive and learn how to let things go, because she never learned that lesson. 

Watch this movie with THESE LENS and look how stupid the villain Scarlet Witch is!!! I mean she looks so stupid in this movie I could barely watch it because I see how stupid it is to have all that power and just abuse it. LOL. Such a waste!!

[BlueOak]

 Wholeness.

Love has no conditions, no framework, no you have to be this or this. The mother is love, the villian is love, the fake lies are love, the inauthentic truth is love. The movie is love. There is no dividing line. Our ego's divide it up and divide ourselves up, then we choose which bits we allow, how we label things, identify them as separate, or hate, and which bits we cut off entirely, and then we get a framework of who we are in a dual universe. The bits we stop loving of ourselves then keep trying to get our attention eternally. 

We don't get given anything. There is nothing to give or take. We cut ourselves up into pieces.

[Razard86]

34 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

 Wholeness.

Love has no conditions, no framework, no you have to be this or this. The mother is love, the villian is love, the fake lies are love, the inauthentic truth is love. The movie is love. There is no dividing line. Our ego's divide it up and divide ourselves up, then we choose which bits we allow, how we label things, identify them as separate, or hate, and which bits we cut off entirely, and then we get a framework of who we are in a dual universe. The bits we stop loving of ourselves then keep trying to get our attention eternally. 

We don't get given anything. There is nothing to give or take. We cut ourselves up into pieces.

Sure that is from the perspective of the formless. If I took a chainsaw to you and your loved ones you wouldn't be saying that in that moment. The purpose of this post is to reveal how selfishness hides itself. Notice your selfishness in ignoring that to preach your own message. 

Yes it's division, but notice to say what you just said is to divide my message as other. Why is that? Because the moment you take a counter stance you engage in division. So you just divided while pushing for unity. 

Also what makes you think my message was any less unity than your message? That would create yet more division.

[An young being]

4 hours ago, Razard86 said:

SPOILER ALERT!!!!The follow passage has a SPOILER for the Marvel Movie Dr. Strange. Read it at your own peril if you have not seen the movie.

Ever wonder why as a human you are not given reality creating powers on an infinite level? Easily....watch the 2nd Dr. Strange movie and you will understand. The villain at its core just wants to experience being a mother, because she loves her children more than everybody else on earth. Look what a person with such a limited form of love would do with that power!!! This is why the more partial your love is, the more disconnected from God you are and the more evil you will create. You see? Goodness is its own reward because Goodness creates peace!!! Notice how the villain has the ability to create whatever she could, and look what she chooses to create because she is not satisfied.

But it goes even deeper than this!!! As a mother she chooses to hide her actions from her children!!! She would never want her children to know about her actions, much less emulate them!!! If any of her kids acted like this it would break her heart. So notice her self-hatred and hypocrisy!! Do as I say not as I do!!! Also because she wants to hide this aspect of herself from her kids, this actually forces her to be FAKE and INAUTHENTIC WITH HER KIDS!! She doesn't want them to REALLY know who she is, just who she PRETENDS to be!!!

This movies is a WONDERFUL lesson why goodness is its own reward and living a life where you abuse your power to gain control over life will only lead to misery, suffering, and you spreading misery and suffering all over the place. Covid is not the real pandemic, it is you desire for control over others to get love that creates suffering. And lastly...here is the last point.....look how much destruction she creates!!! What type of world could you live in, when at the drop of a hat your mom could just nuke anyone and anything if it disturbs you? You can't know true love because anyone that deals with you will be acting out of fear or personal gain. You can't know empathy, because your mom will deny you of that by giving you whatever you want and threatening anybody who opposes you. I mean she literally cannot tell you to forgive and learn how to let things go, because she never learned that lesson. 

Watch this movie with THESE LENS and look how stupid the villain Scarlet Witch is!!! I mean she looks so stupid in this movie I could barely watch it because I see how stupid it is to have all that power and just abuse it. LOL. Such a waste!!

That's why many Spiritual traditions putforth being a good human as important with skills like compassion, forgiveness, unconditional love before everything else, including enlightenment. In fact, being a good human is essential for Enlightenment. The heart chakra needs to be strong if you wish to be stable after ego death.

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Sure that is from the perspective of the formless. If I took a chainsaw to you and your loved ones you wouldn't be saying that in that moment. The purpose of this post is to reveal how selfishness hides itself. Notice your selfishness in ignoring that to preach your own message. 

Yes it's division, but notice to say what you just said is to divide my message as other. Why is that? Because the moment you take a counter stance you engage in division. So you just divided while pushing for unity. 

Also what makes you think my message was any less unity than your message? That would create yet more division.

True the mind often goes to the most extreme example when you say everything is you, and its the first thing I encountered last time I started doing it. Someone who had lost a child replied, and I found as you might imagine someone replying to me in a very distraught hurt way. I rightly got an example of how difficult it is for people because we all have deeper suffering of some kind that feels almost impossible to integrate until we do. 

That is skipping to the hardest part of self-love, we build up to that, start small with a minor disagreement or conflict. That is also what pulled me out of it, a near-violent confrontation with an unresolved issue, which I actually saw happening just before it did. We magnetize all unresolved issues when we enter closer to infinite love, or charge up our bodies because it's all us.

It is impossible to speak of division without experiencing it in the moment. All that exists is what we experience, we become that as it happens, reflect it back, and then it passes. Selfishness, no this was tailored to your post. I looked at it and thought where are the divisions, and then I highlighted them. I had no message in mind coming to it. I didn't pre-determined what i'd say. There is no prize, not even a nice feeling at the judgment that reflects. The selfish part comes from the realizations and perspective shifts or improvements I gain from these exchanges. Plus the quality of these conversations is much improved over the regular day-to-day ones.

You have a want to regulate things. This goes in that box, this goes in that box. If you wish it I will avoid your threads and posts from this point, out of respect.

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

True the mind often goes to the most extreme example when you say everything is you, and its the first thing I encountered last time I started doing it. Someone who had lost a child replied, and I found as you might imagine someone replying to me in a very distraught hurt way. I rightly got an example of how difficult it is for people because we all have deeper suffering of some kind that feels almost impossible to integrate until we do. 

That is skipping to the hardest part of self-love, we build up to that, start small with a minor disagreement or conflict. That is also what pulled me out of it, a near-violent confrontation with an unresolved issue, which I actually saw happening just before it did. We magnetize all unresolved issues when we enter closer to infinite love, or charge up our bodies because it's all us.

It is impossible to speak of division without experiencing it in the moment. All that exists is what we experience, we become that as it happens, reflect it back, and then it passes. Selfishness, no this was tailored to your post. I looked at it and thought where are the divisions, and then I highlighted them. I had no message in mind coming to it. I didn't pre-determined what i'd say. There is no prize, not even a nice feeling at the judgment that reflects. The selfish part comes from the realizations and perspective shifts or improvements I gain from these exchanges. Plus the quality of these conversations is much improved over the regular day-to-day ones.

You have a want to regulate things. This goes in that box, this goes in that box. If you wish it I will avoid your threads and posts from this point, out of respect.

1. We all have a need to regulate things, regulation is an inherent part of creation. Your body regulates your temperature and functions its called homeostatis. Your entire written post was just regulated to form a coherent post that could make sense. You see the thing with Infinity is since you are talking to yourself whatever you accuse me of I can always redirect it back at you and you can do it with me. Notice this....

2. The point I am saying that makes you selfish is you didn't attempt to connect to my post, you took it where you wanted to take it. It's fine you can do that, I do that at times but I know when I do it....I'm being selfish. Why is it selfish? Because I took a conversation that was pointing at a certain direction, and took control and pointed it where I WANT IT. Notice how you claim you weren't be selfish which is not true...you were, but then say I like to regulate things. Does a selfish act need to be regulated or a selfless act? A selfless act is silence, or agreement. A selfish act is to interject and give your own perspective and an even greater form is to steer it where you want too.

Again I'm not demonizing you because we all do it, I'm showing you how unaware you are of what selfishness is. Selfishness IS PERSPECTIVE. Why do you think conflict even exists? Because the moment a perspective has been taken division has taken place. So right now my entire post is SELFISH!!! But notice the clarity I have in being aware of it...currently you lack that awareness because you haven't searched deep enough into what selfishness really is. 

Selfishness runs our entire lives, to live from a non-dual state you need to be aware of it, otherwise you will subconsciously resist and not be aware of it. And don't run from my posts I welcome critiques....but just know...I critique critiques LOL.

P.S. This post was just as guilty as your previous post because notice I didn't connect to the good points you just made but focused on hammering out my own point of view. That is me being SELFISH!!! You see how subtly we are selfish? I'm just as guilty of it. 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Razard86

[BlueOak]

@Razard86

I have significantly less need or want to regulate myself (or others) I don't care what response you give, I will look at it and respond or not. It may bring emotion, concentration, or revelation for example within me. Not to say the ego won't kick up sometimes and say boundary time.

I found some points that I thought were worth discussing, and I thought it would help, so I did. They did not fit your definition of what should be discussed. I apologize if you felt it took us too far off topic. Again this comes down to your preference for regulation, vs my preference for anything but regulation.

Given that perspective, I can understand why you would feel it is selfish to want to discuss something. I don't. I welcome anyone to post anything in reply to a post of mine or not. From a picture, to a song, a poem, whatever they feel. Your rigidity has its benefits in focus and practically but brings you no end of unnecessary positioning, framing, expectation, and structuring problems to all your ideas, concepts, and conversations. You are not fragile but it can feel like walking through a minefield, wondering what should or should not be said. So much so you are now trying to structure how I say something to better accept the language.

This again if we circle back is why you find it difficult to have empathy with another perspective, if it doesn't fit these stricter expectations you have upon it, or even the delivery of it.

tl;dr - Let something be what it is. You don't have to gatekeeper everything. 
 

Edited October 2, 2023 by BlueOak

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

@Razard86

I have significantly less need or want to regulate myself (or others) I don't care what response you give, I will look at it and respond or not. It may bring emotion, concentration, or revelation for example within me. Not to say the ego won't kick up sometimes and say boundary time.

I found some points that I thought were worth discussing, and I thought it would help, so I did. They did not fit your definition of what should be discussed. I apologize if you felt it took us too far off topic. Again this comes down to your preference for regulation, vs my preference for anything but regulation.

Given that perspective, I can understand why you would feel it is selfish to want to discuss something. I don't. I welcome anyone to post anything in reply to a post of mine or not. From a picture, to a song, a poem, whatever they feel. Your rigidity has its benefits in focus and practically but brings you no end of unnecessary positioning, framing, expectation, and structuring problems to all your ideas, concepts, and conversations. You are not fragile but it can feel like walking through a minefield, wondering what should or should not be said. So much so you are now trying to structure how I say something to better accept the language.

This again if we circle back is why you find it difficult to have empathy with another perspective, if it doesn't fit these stricter expectations you have upon it, or even the delivery of it.

tl;dr - Let something be what it is. You don't have to gatekeeper everything. 
 

^^^^You are regulating right now. The statement "Let something be what it is." Is a regulation. Do you see what I am pointing to here? Notice you have to deny that you are telling me to do something...that you are doing. Again, you are attempting to take control and now have to deny you are doing it because it doesn't fit with the way "you wish to view yourself." 

So Mr. Regulator...if I don't do as you wish....what is my punishment?

[BlueOak]

Thirty steps backward around the forum, and three philosophical limericks in reverse. @Razard86

Wishing for less regulation is not increasing regulation. That duality is not closing that way. A wish for more or less regulation can be a product of either but they don't mean the same thing. They mean the opposite.

Let me rephrase it then to fit your strict filters:

You'll help yourself if you don't fix such strong expectations on other people's language, other people's comments, their dialogue, their ideas, self concepts, whatever. Like you are again doing here. You can barely get past the language or delivery to the the point you are so hung up on it. You'll have to give me a list of ways to speak so I can better word my sentences to fit what you expect and need to communicate effectively.

If I say your shirt is red, will you start debating the meaning of red with me? The way red was phrased? How I used it? The philosophical meaning of Red? Do I just press a button and you react with a counterargument? Your red shirt could be longer, (discuss)

To the observable truth within your statement. Yes I do argue for control of a situation when I feel someone else is doing the same. If that's not there from the other person, that part of me never comes up. It's a necessity in a life with no control in it whatsoever.

[Ajax]

We have the same power. You find what you look for.

It wasn't there before you put it there.

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Thirty steps backward around the forum, and three philosophical limericks in reverse. @Razard86

Wishing for less regulation is not increasing regulation. That duality is not closing that way. A wish for more or less regulation can be a product of either but they don't mean the same thing. They mean the opposite.

Let me rephrase it then to fit your strict filters:

You'll help yourself if you don't fix such strong expectations on other people's language, other people's comments, their dialogue, their ideas, self concepts, whatever. Like you are again doing here. You can barely get past the language or delivery to the the point you are so hung up on it. You'll have to give me a list of ways to speak so I can better word my sentences to fit what you expect and need to communicate effectively.

If I say your shirt is red, will you start debating the meaning of red with me? The way red was phrased? How I used it? The philosophical meaning of Red? Do I just press a button and you react with a counterargument? Your red shirt could be longer, (discuss)

To the observable truth within your statement. Yes I do argue for control of a situation when I feel someone else is doing the same. If that's not there from the other person, that part of me never comes up. It's a necessity in a life with no control in it whatsoever.

Wishing for less regulation is regulation, because you are trying to regulate regulation!!! That's the point. You still have yet to deconstruct your mind of duality, and this is why you do not understand what I am saying. The moment you point a finger at ANYONE you are doing the same thing as them because they are YOU! I only do this every now and then to make you aware of the paradoxical nature of reality.

So if I ever attempt to correct you I am correcting myself and if you attempt to correct me you are just correcting yourself. Really open your mind up to the possibility that a request for less regulation is itself regulation. 

This is us right now....approximately.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Razard86

[BlueOak]

You've made me realise something. I never seek control. I rebel or resist when its offered. I seek the lessening of control. I am almost instinctively drawn to challenge it, but don't care to gain it or take it when it's presented. Which is why this never made much sense to me as I worked through it.

Thank you, that helps. I've known it but I've had that muddled for a while.  @Razard86

You are either projecting or using the wrong word. You are looking at one side of a duality and saying that's it. You would have to be able to explain the other side of the duality for it to be true and put it into context. Here is an example of what dualities are:

https://factmyth.com/a-list-of-dualities/ - Unfortunately, he doesn't close them. Let's do some easy ones:

Rich and Poor, is the duality of wealth.
Black and White, is the duality of color
Moral and Immoral is the duality of morality.
Regulation and De Regulation is the duality of management. (Perhaps you meant this but had it worded incorrectly)

I struggle with Liberty and Authority. I'll do an example of one I have not closed. I would say freedom, but that isn't authority, that's liberty. Thats me looking at liberty and saying its the duality. Looking at my side of that duality which I favor and trying to apply it to authority. If Leo ever wants people to understand Russia helping close this duality would be really helpful, (*governance is too broad, collectivism vs individualism is still showing duality you get the idea)

Let's pre-empt another spiral just in case: You might argue Management is regulation and I'm going to argue the best management involves de-regulation. 

I seek to manage my experience and the results. In a way that lessens the restrictive, or the hard, or the uncomfortable. That's my flaw in crystal clear clarity.

Edited October 3, 2023 by BlueOak