Who else here doesn't disagree with Leo ?

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

With the god stuff 

I disagree with you and like to say stuffs it sounds cuter

Edited October 2, 2023 by PurpleTree

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Name a better place

I disagree with the framing of the question. I like to be as purely descriptive and dry as possible when describing this place: people with similar backgrounds and experiences have come to share their experiences and thoughts on life. Some have done a lot of spiritual practice, a lot of meditation, a lot of psychedelics, and some have shattered their sense of identity many times, some have had glimpses, and some have seen unimaginable things. There is some philosophy, some internet Advaita/New-Age, psychonautics, self-help, psychology, etc. I will describe other places using the same formula.

 

35 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

name a disagreement 

It's quite trivial (in a sense), but the death penalty comes to mind. I used to disagree a lot about how you should use words like "solipsism", but today I care a little bit less, although my main argument still stands (i.e. it's a culturally loaded term which often confuses more than it clarifies). I personally prefer the "spiritual rats" "baseline > altitude" approach to spirituality. I'm maybe a little more forgiving of some institutions (mostly in science and religion). And a bunch of other stuff which most likely got resolved.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Loveeee]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I disagree with you and like to say stuffs it sounds cuter

Well your feelings are wrong and my opinion is fact ! 

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

I disagree with the framing of the question. I like to be as purely descriptive and dry as possible when describing this place: people with similar backgrounds and experiences have come to share their experiences and thoughts on life. Some have done a lot of spiritual practice, a lot of meditation, a lot of psychedelics, and some have shattered their sense of identity many times, some have had glimpses, and some have seen unimaginable things. There is some philosophy, some internet Advaita/New-Age, psychonautics, self-help, psychology, etc.

I meant Leo's teachings not the forum

 

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's quite trivial (in a sense), but the death penalty comes to mind. I used to disagree a lot about how you should use words like "solipsism", but today I care a little bit less, although my main argument still stands (i.e. it's a culturally loaded term which often confuses more than it clarifies). I personally prefer the "spiritual rats" "baseline > altitude" approach to spirituality. I'm maybe a little more forgiving of some institutions (mostly in science and religion). And a bunch of other stuff which most likely got resolved.

I meant existential claims 

[Merkabah Star]

1 hour ago, cetus said:

Perhaps adding flashing neon lights would attract more moths to your teaching. 

Oh man, now I’m going to have to change it. 

this is the first forum I have been on where my Avi has worked as a gif, I was expecting it to be still, no flashing. 

[Yimpa]

Agreeing and believing Leo about God is yet another bias. Best to let the Universe give you a  instead and let your own direct experience speak for itself.

If you’re still needing a logical and definitive explanation for all of THIS, then good luck. You’ll be searching for  the next billion years.

THIS is right here, right now. I am you, you are me, blah, blah, blah. Yet, some are still awaiting for the next profound Alien Magic extravaganza for Leo to blow us away with. 

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

Agreeing and believing Leo about God is yet another bias. Best to let the Universe give you a  instead and let your own direct experience speak for itself.

If you’re still needing a logical and definitive explanation for all of THIS, then good luck. You’ll be searching for  the next billion years.

THIS is right here, right now. I am you, you are me, blah, blah, blah. Yet, some are still awaiting for the next profound Alien Magic extravaganza for Leo to blow us away with. 

 I'm not talking about belief but agreement, for example we both agree matter doesn't exist don't we, based on direct experience and understanding 

[Yimpa]

Just now, Loveeee said:

 I'm not talking about belief but agreement, for example we both agree matter doesn't exist don't we, based on direct experience and understanding 

I’ve had experiences where matter didn’t exist, but right now it does for me. I wonder which is more factual.

Maybe matter won’t exist for me tonight when I take my medical cannabis and I’m outta here. I’ll let the medicine decide.

 

[Carl-Richard]

27 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I meant Leo's teachings not the forum

You said "name a better place". I didn't think "Leo's teachings" was a place. But anyways, I would do the same thing for Leo the person: he is a person with a certain background and experiences, done a lot of spiritual practices, self-help, a shitload of psychedelics, etc.; probably saved a few lives in the process as well.

 

27 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I meant existential claims 

Well, I haven't done a shitload of 5-MeO-DMT, so I don't really know what he means with Alien Consciousness or ultimate God-realization. I can only extrapolate based on my "shitload" of meditation-induced mystical experiences and a few LSD experiences. I could believe that he has experienced some crazy shit, but I don't really know what he has experienced. But from how he talks about it, it seems to mostly agree with basic non-duality, so there is not much to disagree about there.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Loveeee]

13 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I’ve had experiences where matter didn’t exist, but right now it does for me. I wonder which is more factual.

The former

[UnbornTao]

@vibv 

Just a way to ground the conversation as I get the sense that what you say is not your experience.

Edited October 2, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Loveeee]

@Carl-Richard

I meant Actualized.org, whatever 

Name a better teacher ?

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Carl-Richard

I meant Actualized.org, whatever 

Name a better teacher ?

You are the best teacher.

Seriously, look into your direct experience. It’s Self-evident.

All these teachers are just prodding you until you finally are able to let them go.

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 Name a better teacher ?

I don't think like that. But again, as I prefer the more basic non-duality stuff, I like teachers like Rupert Spira, Ram Dass, Sadhguru. Jan Esmann is a wild one if you're interested in crazy experiences (and he had them sober, that is the craziest thing). As for people crossing non-duality with more intellectual realms, Bernardo Kastrup could be considered my idol right now.

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

You are the best teacher.

Seriously, look into your direct experience. It’s Self-evident.

All these teachers are just prodding you until you finally are able to let them go.

Ykwim

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I don't think like that. But again, as I prefer the more basic non-duality stuff, I like teachers like Rupert Spira, Ram Dass, Sadhguru. Jan Esmann is a wild one if you're interested in crazy experiences (and he had them sober, that is the craziest thing). As for people crossing non-duality with more intellectual realms, Bernardo Kastrup could be considered my idol right now.

So he's too advanced for you and most others 

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

So he's too advanced for you and most others 

I think a better question is: is he too advanced for you? Have you done 100s of trips of 5-MeO-DMT?

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think a better question is: is he too advanced for you? Have you done 100s of trips of 5-MeO-DMT?

I’ve never done 5-MeO once in my life and I understand what he refers to by alien consciousness. I wish I could give a rational examination, but it’s beyond rational.

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

So he's too advanced for you and most others 

Let’s not make Leo into a cult leader. That’s against this work.

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think a better question is: is he too advanced for you? Have you done 100s of trips of 5-MeO-DMT?

Nope just a dozen acid trips but while he's more conscious than me I still follow 

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I’ve never done 5-MeO once in my life and I understand what he refers to by alien consciousness. I wish I could give a rational examination, but it’s beyond rational.

What we mean by understanding or knowledge is different. When I say "I don't know", I'm talking about actually experiencing it. I haven't experienced what he is talking about.

 

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Nope just a dozen acid trips but while he's more conscious than me I still follow 

Then do you really know that he is the best teacher, or is it just faith?