Who else here doesn't disagree with Leo ?

[Loveeee]

18 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Then do you really know that he is the best teacher, or is it just faith?

I know

I've got similar breadth but lesser depth 

He's more conscious than those teachers you named and so am I 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Loveeee

[Yimpa]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What we mean by understanding or knowledge is different. When I say "I don't know", I'm talking about actually experiencing it. I haven't experienced what he is talking about.

That’s the irony of human logic. Alien consciousness is beyond that, so the very notion of understanding, knowing, or experience (again, as a human) flies out the window. It’s so massive, beyond size, that everything becomes alien.

Anyway, I’ve only experienced it very briefly once or twice. Maybe I will experience it again, maybe I won’t. I’ll let God decide.

I’m currently not alien conscious as I write this reply.

[Yimpa]

8 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I know

I've got similar breadth but lesser depth 

Let’s remain humble.

[Jehovah increases]

Perhaps what he means is they are so highly developed and evolved and their consciousness is so advanced that it eclipses everything. That is to say, it is so complex to fathom or even grasp even when we are in high states of consciousness that when one connects to them it is so profoundly and unexpectedly perplexingly incomprehensibly and bizarre and their world is so different from anything one could ever experience or imagine that it just blows your mind to the point of insanity. Or he tapped into an alien mind that went insane and he experienced it. In the meantime, you will have to wait until he brings the course out. The funny thing is when I connected to infinite intelligence it was not human nor am I.

 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

I know

I've got similar breadth but lesser depth 

He's more conscious than those teachers you named and so am I 

Curious, have you heard about the concept of a cargo cult?:

Quote

A cargo cult is a Melanesian indigenist millenarian belief system in which a group of people in an indigenous society imitate the behaviors, rituals, and symbols associated with technologically advanced societies, particularly those characterized by transportation and material wealth, in the apparent hope of attracting similar benefits. [...]

Cargo cults are marked by a number of common characteristics, including a "myth-dream" that is a synthesis of indigenous and foreign elements, the expectation of help from the ancestors, charismatic leaders, and lastly, belief in the appearance of an abundance of goods. [...]

[...] Thus, a characteristic feature of cargo cults is the belief that spiritual agents will, at some future time, give much valuable cargo and desirable manufactured products to the cult members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

 

"We don't have the 5-MeO right now, but maybe if we do everything right; listen to the right teachings, write the right words, maybe do some LSD; then one day, 5-MeO will spawn inside our buttholes and we'll finally experience it!".

Drop the cargo dream and actually take the steps to experience it, or don't.

 

(That said, I'm not actually advising you to take 5-MeO, as it's no joke. Just admit what you know and what you don't know, admit that you're taking a lot on faith. For all you know, 5-MeO could be just the experience of smelling farts for 15 minutes. You're taking it on somebody else's word that it's such an incredibly deep experience that is somehow different from the sober non-dual experience. And this is the reason why I'm more forgiving of religious institutions, because I don't pretend that spirituality is anything different.)

Edited October 2, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

That’s the irony of human logic. Alien consciousness is beyond that, so the very notion of understanding, knowing, or experience (again, as a human) flies out the window. It’s so massive, beyond size, that everything becomes alien.

Anyway, I’ve only experienced it very briefly once or twice. Maybe I will experience it again, maybe I won’t. I’ll let God decide.

I’m currently not alien conscious as I write this reply.

I believe it's entirely possible to be mistaken about one's assessment of one's internal life.

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You're taking it on somebody else's word that it's such an incredibly deep experience that is somehow different from the sober non-dual experience. 

Or are you taking it on somebody else's word that it's not such an incredibly deep experience that is somehow different from the sober non-dual experience

I'm taking the steps, are you ?

5-MeO works the same way as LSD in that it raises your level of consciousness except it's purer in that it doesn't tend to modify the content of experience, it's all about structure 

In that sense it's a more powerful tool for awakening, also because it's simply more potent

But it's not about the 5-MeO, I'm just conscious enough to realize he's more conscious than me

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Curious, have you heard about the concept of a cargo cult?:

So that’s what this user kept hammering on about, aha:

 

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Loveeee said:

I'm taking the steps, are you ?

If you were really awake, then it wouldn’t matter what any member on this forum says about you. Because you’re ultimately talking to your damn self, lol. Nobody (I mean, no matter) what is being said.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Yimpa

[Loveeee]

15 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

If you were really awake, then it wouldn’t matter what any member on this forum says about you. Because you’re ultimately talking to your damn self, lol. Nobody (I mean, no matter) what is being said.

You don't need to be awake for that

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

You don't need to be awake for that

The point I’m trying to make is why does it concern in regards to how they go about spirituality? And besides, how would you know that your methods would work best for them at the stage that they’re in?

For example, what if they need to still go through a nondual / enlightenment phase, and forcing them to drop their nondual / enlightenment beliefs actually hinders their progress in the long-term?

[Loveeee]

Just now, Yimpa said:

The point I’m trying to make is why does it concern in regards to how they go about spirituality? And besides, how would you know that your methods would work best for them at the stage that they’re in?

For example, what if they need to still go through a nondual / enlightenment phase, and forcing them to drop their nondual / enlightenment beliefs actually hinders their progress in the long-term?

He argued I needed to take the steps and I counter-argued 

[Yimpa]

18 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

He argued I needed to take the steps and I counter-argued 

Yes, and that can go on forever if you let it.

Let’s focus on contemplation, rather than condemnation, brothers and sisters!

[Loveeee]

17 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Yes, and that can go on forever if you let it.

Let’s focus on contemplation, rather than condemnation, brothers and sisters!

Friction improves the work

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Friction improves the work

Sure, but just like with sex there needs to be balance. Too much and your dick might fall off.

[vibv]

6 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@vibv Just a way to ground the conversation as I get the sense that what you say is not aligned with your current experience. Could be wrong, although not very likely.

What do you mean? Everything I say is based on direct experience. Sometimes referring to past experiences of course.

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Sure, but just like with sex there needs to be balance. Too much and your dick might fall off.

This is getting out of hand

So to speak

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, vibv said:

What do you mean? Everything I say is based on direct experience. Sometimes referring to past experiences of course.

It means you are a fish who just saw food, only for it to actually be bait.

Hook, line, and sinker.

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I believe it's entirely possible to be mistaken about one's assessment of one's internal life.

Yep, that’s where radical open-mindedness comes in.

[vibv]

27 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

It means you are a fish who just saw food, only for it to actually be bait.

Hook, line, and sinker.

Oh well, I'm not hard to bait. But I'm working on it