Biggest error in Leo's metaphysical understanding

[UnbornTao]

@CoolDreamThanks @Princess Arabia Easy.

[UnbornTao]

May be your projection based on misunderstanding, but this is easy to say.

In any case, don't fall into cosmologies. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

The OP has a completely limited view of reality, and a human bias towards good versus evil that demonstrates minimal understanding. There is no evil, the fact that rats eat your children alive in front of you is not bad. Life does that to itself to move, to create. For the living abyss that exists that is nothing, your sensations are nothing, they are the same as a spider eating a fly. creative movement through destruction. reality is a dance of total, unimaginable glory. Torture is glory, the same as birth.

If, instead of opening up to what existence is and beginning to understand directly, we invent stupid stories, we will be stupid crazy people, like the case we have the pleasure of reading in this thread.

[Princess Arabia]

54 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@CoolDreamThanks @Princess Arabia Easy.

Ok, I slipped. 

[CoolDreamThanks]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

@CoolDreamThanks Also, I apologize. My tone was sort of rude there. 
 

I think I was sort of reflective back to your tone in the opening post of this thread.

I appreciate your perspective, I wish you well. 
 

I don’t cast judgment at all, I am only sharing my assumptions based on what I perceive Leo to have said, and what I perceive you having said what what I’ve perceived in my own experience.
 

I will work on being more kind in my posts going forward. I am humble to my own short comings.That allows me to be truly confident.  I am willing to learn from others. I am willing to admit when I am wrong. I am willing to admit when I don’t know. I am patient with myself and others. I am always open to learning more. I don’t need to prove myself or be better than anyone else. Finding what is true and living a good life is more important than knowing more than others. 

@Thought Art Same here.. Extending an apology as well. 

Was annoyed from beforehand and didn't want to talk to anyone, so you just got hit with the vibe I was already in. 

I guess the ideas we discuss are very sensitive to each of us, as we literally base our lives on them, so it's easy to to get frustrated when someone disagrees, dismisses them and so on.  

I'm also trying to improve and go into relationships with the intention of maintaining peace and avoiding conflict. Sounds simple, but doing it is.. you know.. challenging to say the least.. 😄 

Anyway, I did read every book from Leo's booklist under the topics that were relevant, so if there were some about politics or similar I might have skipped them, but everything under spirituality/metaphysics/money/relationships and so on I did read. I saw Leo as the wisest guy around and he was my main teacher since I was like 17, so if he recommends a book - I read it. I've seen all of his videos as well, exluding the politics ones and a few others. When I say I saw him as my main teacher, I mean I followed everything he said, wrote on the forum, on his blog, did everything he recommended to do (like 30-40 high dose trips with solo meditation retreats lasting weeks as preparation), etc.. 

I'm so passionate about recommending the particular book I mentioned because I can see Leo's worldview pretty accurately, since I've read and experienced many things he has and I know he's missing something that would be life-changing for him and his students, because it was for me. It was already very valuable for a few people on this forum who did try and read that book, as per their feedback.  

I see people on this forum at the same level of understanding I was at not so long ago, so I feel like I could help them soo much if they would be open to it. I guess I do come out as arrogant when I explain things, but I just try to provide clear arguments in an attempt to be helpful. Not that I can't and shouldn't improve my delivery. 

Anyway, on to your arguments: 

-"If a demon created reality, who created the demon?" 

When I say demon, I am reffering to the same God, but at a point where he honestly believed that he seperated himself from God, hence no longer identifying himself as God, but as something else. He then felt guilty for the seeming error of seperation (betraying God, which he now sees as someone outside of himself) and the guilt was so accute, that he had to run from it. As a solution, he pushed the guilt out of his awareness and projected a whole universe outside of himself with people doing bad things to him, so that his internal guilt seemed outside of himself, now they are guilty, not you, which minimises the internal terror and guilt he felt. It's just a short, badly written summary of what happened at a metaphysical level and why the universe of time and space was miscreated. I'm bad at explaining it, that's one of the reasons I direct people to the book. But yeh, I'm saying God, in his innocence, was contemplating about the idea of seperation, like a kid playing with matches, and then he thought that he burned down the house, which he really didn't, but he believed he did. He really believed his mind split, and now there's him, and God outside of him. Yeh, I suck at explaining. 

"If God is all loving, why doesn’t he love pain and suffering just as much as pleasure and joy?" 

Well you are God, so why don't you? Because it doesn't feel good. Trying to love pain is silly. Why would one hurt himself in the first place if the purpose is love? Why not just go straight to love? You don't need pain as a contrast to enjoy love. Even for contrast, you can just go into emptiness, rest there, and blissout again, no need for pain. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by CoolDreamThanks

[CoolDreamThanks]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

@CoolDreamThanks @Princess Arabia Easy.

 

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok, I slipped. 

Same, sorry again. My comment was arrogant and douchey, so Princess was right. 😄

[CoolDreamThanks]

9 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

Aren't those human emotions that you're attributing to god? Aren't you simply describing how the human mind is setup?

Hmm, I think that Divine Mind has the ability to feel guilt. Why not? When God's mind is healthy and pure, His nature is Love, but in this case, he made a whoopsie and Love was replaced by guilt.

[CoolDreamThanks]

14 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

I think this is mistaking the interpretation/narrative for the reality.

I get the argument, but we really don't remmember the time when this whole shabang started and this is the only explanation I found that perfectly explains this universe and God.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

 

Same, sorry again. My comment was arrogant and douchey, so Princess was right. 😄

Ok we're one big happy family again. All of us apologized, and you even owned up to your doing, at least we all showed some maturity in dealing with the situation. Thank you, because I did feel I went overboard with my language too and two wrongs don't make a right. 

[CoolDreamThanks]

@Squeekytoy  hmm, I think let's agree to disagree at this point as I am sure neither of us will change their mind.  

I did find your arguments really intelligent, so thank you for the discussion. Hope we have some more in the future. 🤝

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

@Squeekytoy  hmm, I think let's agree to disagree at this point as I am sure neither of us will change their mind.  

I did find your arguments really intelligent, so thank you for the discussion. Hope we have some more in the future. 🤝

If you could concur that reality is infinite- there cannot be any mistakes other than via illusion.

[CoolDreamThanks]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

If you could concur that reality is infinite- there cannot be any mistakes other than via illusion.

Hmm, could you explain how infinity of the Self makes it so that mistakes within his mind are impossible? Yes, the error (seperation) didn't actually happen, but he believed it did it. When God, in his innocence, at the metaphysical level was contemplating what it would be like to seperate, he got an experiencial answer, since at that level all wishes are fullfilled. Yet when he seemingly seperated, his previous state of Oneness was completly forgotten, so he couldn't look back and remmember that he is God. And when the experience of seperation occured, still at the metaphysical level, he experienced fear, since duality means that the opposite of God, which is Love, will be created. If the same Love was created, or if the previous state of Oneness wasn't forgotten, then the request in his mind for the experience of duality wouldn't have been possible.  

[gettoefl]

10 hours ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

 

so I feel like I could help them soo much if they would be open to it. I guess I do come out as arrogant when I explain things, but I just try to provide clear arguments in an attempt to be helpful. Not that I can't and shouldn't improve my delivery. 

 

you missed the point of the book

everyone is reflecting your shit back to you so you heal your wounds traumas blockages through forgiveness and self love

you forgiving me is healing you and is nothing to do with me

you are not to do anything to the world, else you make the illusion stronger and you add to your bondage and karma

you dont bring truth to illusion but illusion to truth

forget your delivery and work on your contemplation

of course i am doing precisely what i am telling you NOT to do but i will take the karma hit for that out of my gratitude to you for putting this book my way

Edited December 2, 2023 by gettoefl

[CoolDreamThanks]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

you missed the point of the book

everyone is reflecting your shit back to you so you heal your wounds traumas blockages through forgiveness and self love

you forgiving me is healing you and is nothing to do with me

you are not to do anything to the world, else you make the illusion stronger and you add to your bondage and karma

you dont bring truth to illusion but illusion to truth

forget your delivery and work on your contemplation

of course i am doing precisely what i am telling you NOT to do but i will take the karma hit for that out of my gratitude to you for putting this book my way

@gettoefl Wonderful! You are precisely right! 

If my delivery is unkind and has pride in it, it means that I stepped out of the Holy Instant and into the unforgiving, frustrating thought system of the ego. 

If I master maintaining inner peace, the delivery will change naturally. 

I'm not talking about changing behaviour while keeping inner attitude the same, but I guess that's how I sounded like, so my bad.  

Glad to hear you've found the book valuable and understood it.

Peace be with us. 🙏

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

Hmm, could you explain how infinity of the Self makes it so that mistakes within his mind are impossible? Yes, the error (seperation) didn't actually happen, but he believed it did it. When God, in his innocence, at the metaphysical level was contemplating what it would be like to seperate, he got an experiencial answer, since at that level all wishes are fullfilled. Yet when he seemingly seperated, his previous state of Oneness was completly forgotten, so he couldn't look back and remmember that he is God. And when the experience of seperation occured, still at the metaphysical level, he experienced fear, since duality means that the opposite of God, which is Love, will be created. If the same Love was created, or if the previous state of Oneness wasn't forgotten, then the request in his mind for the experience of duality wouldn't have been possible.  

It is indeed a strange loop.  Because if you think about it, since God can forget it is God - it is absolutely total.  But this is the logical mind trying to rationalize Infinity.  God in the Absolute sense closes the loop because it is God.   It's that simple.  You aren't going to be able to find an answer with logic you have to become God.   That will be becoming Infinity- in which you will know that God simply has the ability to forget its God.  But remembering it is God will resolve all paradoxes.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Kuba Powiertowski]

As long as you experience duality, no matter to what extent, paradoxes are inevitable and waiting for you. 

[Kuba Powiertowski]

You always get dirty😉

[gettoefl]

59 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

@gettoefl Wonderful! You are precisely right! 

If my delivery is unkind and has pride in it, it means that I stepped out of the Holy Instant and into the unforgiving, frustrating thought system of the ego. 

If I master maintaining inner peace, the delivery will change naturally. 

I'm not talking about changing behaviour while keeping inner attitude the same, but I guess that's how I sounded like, so my bad.  

Glad to hear you've found the book valuable and understood it.

Peace be with us. 🙏

you have inspired me plenty 💥

[An young being]

37 minutes ago, Vibes said:

@Squeekytoy You're back.

Nobody can escape Actualized.org haha

 

There will come one day when forums and social media addiction leads to big boost in de-addiction therapies and becomes a big competitor or even dethrone alcohol, drug or tobacco addictions.

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, gettoefl said:

of course i am doing precisely what i am telling you NOT to do but i will take the karma hit for that out of my gratitude to you for putting this book my way

It's funny you mentioned that because a few days ago you posted something in reference to that book and I remembered hearing that name somewhere. Then I remembered where it came from. @CoolDreamThanksI said to myself you must have gotton the recommendation from him. He was missing for awhile and then suddenly appeared. If you're reading this, CoolDreamThanks, Gettoefl mind brought you back. That's the one mind at play. Interesting. When I saw your presence I was like holy shit there he is and you were gone for a few months, I believe.