Is there a chance we have free choice?

[vibv]

54 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

They seem to. Belief disempowers contemplation.

It’s not belief. It’s creation.

[Inliytened1]

21 hours ago, Henry234 said:

Leo says we have don’t have free choice or 100 percent free will is there a chance we do? What would be the argument? 

Of course we do.  Don't you have free choice in a video game?  

[UnbornTao]

23 minutes ago, vibv said:

It’s not belief. It’s creation.

It's inventing stuff that covers up one's fundamental ignorance. Why not generate wonder instead?

If you don't know, that's the best place to start as wonder naturally arises from that place. No reason to question if in your mind you consider you already know the "answers."

Edited September 30, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

14 minutes ago, vibv said:

Enlightenment is child’s play at some point 

You are really obsessed with enlightenment.

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

@UnbornTao Disbelief empowers contemplation.

@vibv Both things aren’t necessarily contradicting each other.

It's the same domain, believing and disbelieving.

Adopting beliefs isn't helpful when it comes to an open inquiry.

Better to ask yourself what you are really conscious of, and to remind oneself not to pretend.

Edited September 30, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Someone here]

@UnbornTao been reading or getting influenced by Peter Ralston as of late? 

[Yimpa]

@Someone here it’s best we don’t become obsessed with Peter Ralson again. Oh dear God, please!

[UnbornTao]

55 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@UnbornTao been reading or getting influenced by Peter Ralston as of late? 

More like my own investigations, and then some hearsay by Krishnamurti.

Edited September 30, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It's the same domain, believing and disbelieving.

Making up stuff is damaging to an open investigation.

Better to ask yourself what you are really conscious of, and to remind oneself not to pretend.

One that is grounded is able to tolerate being real and being pretend. There’s flexibility in that, depending on what the situation calls for.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@Someone here it’s best we don’t become obsessed with Peter Ralson again. Oh dear God, please!

Why ?

Should we instead be obsessed with that ghost in your pfp ?? 

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

More like my own investigations, and then some hearsay by Krishnamurti.

Krishnamurti as well has a similar approach. 

[Yimpa]

Just now, Someone here said:

Should we instead be obsessed with that ghost in your pfp ?? 

Yes, at least what is under the cloth can be anything you imagine it to be.

Or you can simply see a ghost. Up to you.

[OldManCorcoran]

I don't see how there is any chance at all. When I open my eyes I see the world around me and I can't really do anything about that in the moment it happens. I open my eyes and my mind renders a visual landscape whether I want it to or not. No matter how hard I will my eyes to fail, or my mind to not render a visual landscape, it does it.

[Yimpa]

@OldManCorcoran Put hand over your eyes and let’s see what happens then.

[Osaid]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

More like my own investigations, and then some hearsay by Krishnamurti.

I personally think Krishnamurti has some pretty decent hearsay.

[Osaid]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Krishnamurti as well has a similar approach. 

Most enlightened people do haha

[OldManCorcoran]

Just now, Yimpa said:

@OldManCorcoran Put hand over your eyes and let’s see what happens then.

That is irrelevant and I expected that but didn't bother to preface. The point is not that you can gouge out your eyes and blind yourself, but that when your eyes are working correctly and are exposed to the world, the world renders irrespective of whether you want it to or not.

When certain conditions are in place certain things happen and the person doesn't have a say in it.

[UnbornTao]

18 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

One that is grounded is able to tolerate being real and being pretend. There’s flexibility in that, depending on what the situation calls for.

In order to move in the direction of what's true -- in every way, honesty is the main practice. 

So I would endorse authenticity and not pretense.

 

9 minutes ago, Osaid said:

I personally think Krishnamurti has some pretty decent hearsay.

He's got good stuff.

Perhaps I should have clarified: it is communication coming from an individual that for me is hearsay until personally validated in experinece.

Edited September 30, 2023 by UnbornTao

[vibv]

28 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

You are really obsessed with enlightenment.

Yep. I'm not over it yet  But we're getting there

[Yimpa]

@vibv All good, I have my own obsessions as well.

[Yimpa]

44 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

In order to move in the direction of what's true -- in every way, honesty is the main practice. 

So I would endorse authenticity and not pretense.

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He's got good stuff.

Perhaps I should have clarified: it is communication coming from an individual that for me is hearsay until personally validated in experinece.

There are simply things you would not be able to personally validate for yourself, at least if you are human.

For example, if one person is cisgender + heterosexual and another is transgender/LGBT. The cisgender could not possibly fathom changing their gender, nor would they ever want to. It doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s inauthentic and a pretense to be transgender. But to the cisgender their bias would certainly give them the authority to say it is such.