Why My Hand Cannot Grasp Itself

[Leo Gura]

The proper analogy is light.

You are a firefly and I am the sun

Edited October 3, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The proper analogy is light.

It doesn't get any more like a wave, nor a particle.  

Edited October 3, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

@Breakingthewall

Is infinite perfection already the case? Yes or no?

If yes, then is what you call the illusion of the self somehow exempt from that perfection? It's not much of an infinite perfection if it doesn't include absolutely everything, is it?

Hallelujah to that!

20 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It is not a matter of laughter or joking

When you don't have humour, it just isn't funny.

- Ram Dass -

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The proper analogy is light.

You are a firefly and I am the sun

Belittling does nothing here.  

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

@Breakingthewall

Is infinity perfection already the case? Yes or no?

If yes, then is what you call the illusion of the self somehow exempt from that perfection? It's not much of an infinite perfection if it doesn't include absolutely everything, is it?

Hallelujah to that!

When you don't have humour, it just isn't funny.

- Ram Dass -

It's infinity perfection be a pedophile crack addict? yes or no? 

I mean, what you said doesn't mean nothing. I am talking about drop the self, realize the nature of existence. If you prefer be a philosopher, or anything, it's perfect too. But here, as a human, an enigma is proposed. If you want to solve it, shortcuts are not going to work

Edited October 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[vibv]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It doesn't get any more like a wave, nor a particle.  

You can't look long enough into the sun to take it completely in. Same goes for LOVE as a human.

Edited October 3, 2023 by vibv

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, vibv said:

You can't look long enough into the sun to take it completely in. Same goes for LOVE as a human.

That doesn't mean you will learn more about the sun by blinding yourself. 

[An young being]

One time I had a dream where both of my hands turned into letters and disappeared. PS: I saw the matrix movie long long ago.

[Yimpa]

Well, you can physically touch water, but not light. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Unless you want to argue and say you can touch a lightbulb, but don’t get clever with me 

[Breakingthewall]

18 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Return to the market place with open hands.

Not easy, in the market place is always war, some win and others lose, some are slaves, others free, and we all worship one god: money. You can have a clear vision, but if you are at the bottom of the pyramid, you will be someone's slave. In the market place in the end you have to have ambition, cunning, and future projection.

[Breakingthewall]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Have you guys seen the 11th picture?

Broom in hand, chasing nondual rats out of the marketplace.

no, it's a cosmic battle between non-dual rats and alien rats. Let's see if the alien rats have something real to put on the table,  we don't want them to become extinct and forgotten, much better if they became an evolutionary step

Edited October 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Water by the River]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not easy,

 

Yes.

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not easy, in the market place is always war, some win and others lose, some are slaves, others free, and we all worship one god: money. You can have a clear vision, but if you are at the bottom of the pyramid, you will be someone's slave. In the market place in the end you have to have ambition, cunning, and future projection.

One can be of real value/service to those receiving the contribution/service, and they show the appreciation for that and one receives it. That works even in high-stake-business-environments.

Admittingly, it needs some experience & professionalism & luck to pull that off, and a large degree of humour to be able to cope with the madness of the lovely capitalistic system of ours....

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

One can be of real value/service to those receiving the contribution/service, and they show the appreciation for that and one receives it.

Yes, that is business. but you have to be tough not to sink. Life is competition and adaptation 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

42 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not easy, in the market place is always war, some win and others lose, some are slaves, others free, and we all worship one god: money. You can have a clear vision, but if you are at the bottom of the pyramid, you will be someone's slave. In the market place in the end you have to have ambition, cunning, and future projection.

i don't awaken for an ego but for all long lost limbs looking to surgically reattach

i am an oracle a catalyst  a hollow bamboo stick

[gettoefl]

33 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, that is business. but you have to be tough not to sink. Life is competition and adaptation 

if i didn't save you my work isn't yet done

[Water by the River]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, that is business. but you have to be tough not to sink, spirituality is not going to pay your rent

Yup, and that is why an integral lifestyle without spiritual-bypassing and taking care of all relative levels usually delivers  a nice dream.

Balancing Absolute and Relative. LOVE for the lower levels of manifestation, and not hating & escaping them, but differentiating from them and integrating them.

The alternative is a nightmare. Also a dream, but good luck transcending an ego that screams in pain and suffering on various levels of exchange of Maslows little pyramid while trying to find its way into 7th ascended spiritual heaven away from this nasty earth and its two-legged ignoran fools. While not really noticing it is only moving within IT-self.

And here is where Reality is really LOVE: IT loves doing that too. But it is also a bit like: Nietzsche: God is dead. God: Nietzsche is dead.

Btw., for the aficionados/critics/marketers: That little story above is not so much Buddhism, it is more Ken Wilber & company. Just to make sure that the right -ISM gets shot.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's infinity perfection be a pedophile crack addict? yes or no?

Yes it is. The pedophile crack addict is on a perfect divine journey through eternity.

Now, could the pedophile crack addict improve his human life? Of course he could! But that has nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality is about recognizing the divine perfection that is always already the case. Trying to improve your life via spirituality is spiritual bypassing, and it can easily derail and ruin your life instead of improving it.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Yes it is. The pedophile crack addict is on a perfect divine journey through eternity.

Now, could the pedophile crack addict improve his human life? Of course he could! But that has nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality is about recognizing the divine perfection that is always already the case. Trying to improve your life via spirituality is spiritual bypassing, and it can easily derail and ruin your life instead of improving it.

For me, spirituality is total openness to existence. It is something absolutely necessary, it is like being trapped between four walls and needing to get out. 

Trying to improve your life via spirituality is going to work great If you do in the right direction. If you use spirituality as evasión, you are going to receive a slap in your face.

3 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Yup, and that is why an integral lifestyle without spiritual-bypassing and taking care of all relative levels usually delivers  a nice dream.

Balancing Absolute and Relative. LOVE for the lower levels of manifestation, and not hating & escaping them, but differentiating from them and integrating them.

The alternative is a nightmare. Also a dream, but good luck transcending an ego that screams in pain and suffering on various levels of exchange of Maslows little pyramid while trying to find its way into 7th ascended spiritual heaven away from this nasty earth and its two-legged ignoran fools. While not really noticing it is only moving within IT-self.

And here is where Reality is really LOVE: IT loves doing that too. But it is also a bit like: Nietzsche: God is dead. God: Nietzsche is dead.

Btw., for the aficionados/critics/marketers: That little story above is not so much Buddhism, it is more Ken Wilber & company. Just to make sure that the right -ISM gets shot.

Exactly, Life must be balanced to the millimeter, but in a balance that no one but you can intuit. Using spirituality as an escape is nonsense as you said.  escape from what? Life is going to catch you, always.

The material issue is interesting. You have to be daring here, normally life shows you the paths to follow. you have to push hard where you can see the gap

Edited October 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[vibv]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

That doesn't mean you will learn more about the sun by blinding yourself. 

You can learn a lot about the sun by using different devices, contemplation and experiments. But you can never just stare into it. 

Or let's see it this way: If Awakening was light you can crank it up gradually and also dim it until you can't even see it anymore. All those experiences contribute to your understanding of light. But there's a maximum capacity you're able to handle as a human. You'd have to die to go beyond that.

Edited October 3, 2023 by vibv

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, vibv said:

You can learn a lot about the sun by using different devices, contemplation and experiments. But you can never just stare into it. 

Or let's see it this way: If Awakening was light you can crank it up gradually and also dim it until you can't even see it anymore. All those experiences contribute to your understanding of light.

Learn and understand is nothing. You already know and understand everything, since you are the infinite. The you who wants to know more and understand deeper is an illusion. Everything that self can know or understand is nothing because understanding is finite. There is no infinite understanding, there is being, which is the same as understanding but without structure. understanding without structure is being. Understanding with structure is a finite structured mind, so it cannot encompass anything, it is false, a pale image.