Why Leo criticize Trump but he says nothing about Putin?

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

What is his genius worth?

23 years of Russian rule.

[Girzo]

@Francis777 just look for interviews with soldiers and look at how many new recruits each country gets to see who has higher morale.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Girzo

[Francis777]

4 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@Francis777 just look for interviews with soldiers and look at how many new recruits each country gets to see who has higher morale.

what's the amount of new recruits got to do with morale?

[Leo Gura]

41 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

How can you assume this? what's it based off of?

Russians are shooting their own soldiers if they don't charge the front line as cannon-fodder.

The Wagner soldiers staged a mutiny against Putin.

Obviously Ukraine has higher morale because they have the moral high ground and they are defending their homes and families.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Girzo]

@Francis777 If you want ot participate in the war by yourself you obviously have a higher morale.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura You in this thread have affirmed that you believe that Ukraine is a U.S./NATO proxy. If NATO succeeds in incorporating Ukraine into its' alliance, an alliance which you have again agreed is an American tool to project power, tangibly, how will Russia suffer?

I think it's a stretch to suggest NATO will invade Russia using Ukraine as a springboard. This isn't the medieval ages, Russia does not need a land buffer to prevent invasions, as they have a nuclear deterrent and a powerful army.

If Ukraine joins NATO, how is this a problem for Russia? NATO is a defensive alliance. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

tangibly, how will Russia suffer?

It's simply a strategic threat which cannot be allowed. Think of it also like a slap in the face.

Large countries like the US, Russia, and China do not just operate on direct suffering caused to them, they must also consider growing long-term strategic threats. And even disrepect.

If Russia made an alliance with Cuba and built missile silos there and sent military arms there, the US would lose its shit.

So watch out for that self-bias and double standards. The US has no qualms invading other countries who don't even pose a direct threat to it, like Iraq.

Direct suffering is way too high a bar for geopolitics. Because when it gets that far it's already too late to do anything about it. So everything is about premeption.

But also, Ukraine going West is a direct attack on Russian history, culture, and Putin's regime. Putin cannot allow Western values to infect Russian culture. This is what Americans simply don't fathom. Putin is fighting to defend a non-Western value system. And all Americans know how to do is push their values on everyone else. Americans cannot even fathom alternative value systems. Americans are too self-biased to even understand why this war exists.

Fundamentally, America wants a unipolar world with itself as the pole. Russia and China want a multipolar world. That's what this war is really about.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Larry Kaul]

@Pablogamalielm I think that Trump exists in Shame (20) consciousness. The process of that level is elimination. The main emotional state is humiliation. He knows how to use the Law of Attraction; anybody can do it, which brings him the success he wants. His goal is to destroy himself. 

Putin exists in Fear (100). At Fear, the view of life is Frightening. This is reflected in constant anxiety and a God-View of punitive. That gets projected back onto himself, and he acts like a dictator.

They are very different to me. Trump despises humanity and wants to destroy while Putin is afraid of humanity and wants to withdraw from it and hole up as the supreme leader controlling things behind the scenes motivated by anxiety. 

[Nemra]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ukraine going West is a direct attack on Russian history, culture, and Putin's regime. Putin cannot allow Western values to infect Russian culture. This is what Americans simply don't fathom. Putin is fighting to defend a non-Western value system.

As if Russia hasn't been pushing its values on small countries.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Understander

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Understander said:

As if Russia hasn't been pushing its values on small countries.

Sure, a bit. But the US is a grand master at that.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sure, a bit. But the US is a grand master at that.

Why doesn't Putin understand that those countries can like Western values?

Why does everything have to be considered Western if it doesn't align with Russian values?

Even if it's Western, that doesn't make it wrong.

There is lots of propaganda going on in those countries about Westerners. It's really disgusting.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Understander

[rnd]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The Wagner soldiers staged a mutiny against Putin.

And the fact that Putin has resolved the mutiny without blood, with small exception, within 24 hours -- you've conveniently ignored.

But this in fact implies that Putin is all but strong, and is supported by the majority of the russians. Not but everyone, but the majority.

 

That's the whole narrative of the US and Western propaganda:

  * the mutiny takes place in Russia -- you see, Putin  is weak, has no control
  * the mutiny gets resolved by Putin within 24 hour -- ahhhh.... never mind.... unhandled exception....  but! Putin is weak!

Basically, Putin, no matter what may happen and what he may do, can never win -- according to the mainstream US, European media. And Leo.

Edited September 29, 2023 by rnd

[Girzo]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But also, Ukraine going West is a direct attack on Russian history, culture, and Putin's regime.

Ukraine always has been this country right in the middle. That's what the name of the country means, it's the border lands.

They are quite close in culture to Polish people, their language sounds similar, Western part of the country has been historically mainly populated by Polish and Jewish people, but they are Orthodox and use cyrylic alphabet so that's what pushes it a little bit to the Russia's side.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Girzo

[Leo Gura]

52 minutes ago, Understander said:

Why doesn't Putin understand that those countries can like Western values?

Cause he's a selfish nationalist.

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Why does everything have to be considered Western if it doesn't align with Russian values?

Not everything is. Russia accepts plenty of "Western" stuff. Just not the whole neoliberal worldview.

30 minutes ago, rnd said:

And the fact that Putin has resolved the mutiny without blood, with small exception, within 24 hours -- you've conveniently ignored.

But this in fact implies that Putin is all but strong, and is supported by the majority of the russians. Not but everyone, but the majority.

 

That's the whole narrative of the US and Western propaganda:

  * the mutiny takes place in Russia -- you see, Putin  is weak, has no control
  * the mutiny gets resolved by Putin within 24 hour -- ahhhh.... never mind.... unhandled exception....  but! Putin is weak!

Basically, Putin, no matter what may happen and what he may do, can never win -- according to the mainstream US, European media. And Leo.

I said Putin is strong. But like all strongmen, he's also weak. That's the paradox of strongmen.

If he was truly strong he wouldn't have had a mutiny to begin with and he wouldn't be so paranoid that he sits 30ft away from everybody.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Scholar]

On 28.9.2023 at 8:30 PM, Leo Gura said:

Because Trump is a moron and Putin is a genius.

Putin makes Russia strong while Trump makes America weak.

This has nothing to do with me supporting Putin's war. Serious geopolitics is a play here. And Trump is too dumb to even belong in the same conversation.

The standards for American and Russian politics are also very different. Russia is in a different developmental stage and survival situation.

This is why I can't take you seriously on anything regarding politics.

 

"Putin makes Russia stronk!"

Putin is completely delusional, almost Xi level of isolationist, and everything that has transpired over the last 2 years is proof of that. Russia, like China before Xi, was on a good pathway before Putin came along and ruined everything.

[rnd]

Recall how many predictions and assumption have the US and European sorry-ass politicians, experts and newspapers made about Russia, Putin, its army, the russians, its economy for the last 2 years? And how many of them turned out to be wrong, or 180 degress the opposite? Almost all.

Isn't this a proof of how much they - US  and Europe - really know about Russia? Yet they continue to make their expert predictions, opinions and what "Putin really wants".  A bunch of morons.

Not everyone, though, as there're good sources.

Edited September 29, 2023 by rnd

[Leo Gura]

@rnd Of course there is a lot of self-bias on the war from the American side. They can't help themselves. The bias is just part of the American group-think. They don't know how to think neutrally on this issue, nor does it pay for them to do so.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hello from Russia]

The best part of being a russian is getting your money lose its value 2x over night, lol

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura What is your position on the American funding of Ukraine? Do you agree with trump that funding should stop and we should negotiate with the Russians, or do you agree with Biden that funding should continue without any negotiations?

[BlueOak]

1, It is theorized Russia either needs to reach central Europe to shorten its border, or it can't defend its borders adequately in the decades ahead, nor solve its population crisis. Given their political trajectory of complete isolation from Europe, its media's saturation of Western hate, and its culture, peacefully fixing these issues through things like immigration or foreign investment to draw people into Russia or get them to stay, is a much lesser possibility.

Russia will continue fighting wars until it achieves its objective of fixing its population demographic, and/or gets into a place it can safely secure its western border over much less distance. They've actually said this more than once. Additionally, I've repeatedly heard Russians say things like, all this blood, they'll never give up now. This is probably true, because they've lost through emigration or casualties the very people they need to lessen their population crisis.

So among the choice(s) NATO has is whether to give an imperialist Russia time to rearm and regroup, then go again. Or does NATO want to break Russia here to the point that they cannot easily go again? This is being achieved slowly but steadily and is still the most unfortunate but most assured outcome that can be done. Because it just involves giving Ukraine weapons until Russia is crippled beyond its ability to fight for a decade or two. However the lines move on the map, Russia will be incapacitated militarily for a while. Without the old KGB leaders running Russia, there is less impetus for war with NATO, unless they and all this manages to put enough hate into the population for it to continue in cycles.

Another is putting Ukraine in NATO now, not to fight the war, with a clause 5 years from now they will be a full member of the alliance. Giving us a potentially fixed timeline - This seems to be something that will not happen, from the messaging I can see, hopefully, I am proven wrong as it's the most humane way to try to force a longer peace. Lesser possibilities are smaller European military alliances with Ukraine, but that might not be enough to deter Russia. Other than that, as we all said at the start, someone getting an unlikely shot at Putin, China reining in Russia which is even more unlikely, or Russia getting distracted with something else for a decade or two. Like the collapse of its economy, which is possible now as its only going to get worse for them, and might work, but is being propped up by several countries sadly to draw it out.

2, The current Russia could well end with Putin. He's killed off the most capable leaders who could have replaced him.

Meaning the problem of Russia for western powers could end itself in a decade. By that I mean if Putin dies with no capable leader, it continues to diminish quicker or break apart. Obviously diminishing is more likely. This comes around again to how long Putin continues to live.

3, Putin's biggest flaw, as with all autocrats, is they don't listen to bad news. They kill the messenger. Literally. So I am not even sure he's aware of the problems I am writing here. The specific answer to that isn't the point, I am very sure he's not aware of everything he should be, until it's already happened, or is happening. His second biggest flaw is vanity and all the political over practical decisions that makes him take.