Enlightenment is a paradigm

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is much deeper than a paradigm. It's a hallucination.

Please dive deep into what hallucinations are in your upcoming course. I’ve been having deeper hallucinations and trying to ask rational people about them is cringe.

[vibv]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is much deeper than a paradigm. It's a hallucination.

How do you define the difference? Isn't it a matter of perspective?

I'd say ultimately a paradigm is ungrounded, you could even define evolution as a series of advancing paradigms. In a way every paradigm is a hallucination, because it's not reality.

What's your definition of hallucination? Couldn't you just say it's dreamed up?

[vibv]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@vibv are you committed to ignorance even when you cherish it or to getting at the truth? You can't lie your way to the truth. 

I'm committed to not clinging to my understanding. It advances the more I confront assumptions. But there's always some version of understanding, that's true for everyone. Even you have your personal understanding, and that will not be the same understanding you arrive at 10 years from now.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

Getting rid of the mind as if it was a bad thing is a complete and utter misunderstanding in buddhism.

1 hour ago, vibv said:

 

Not a bad thing, but irrelevant. What is all that evolution since the Paleolithic that you talk about compared to the power to create reality? You think you've come a long way since you were 3 years old. your ego has done it. You, as an existence, function at another level, this is the level where we try to be, and for that we have to put in the background the level of the ego, of the human in relation to his environment.

[vibv]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Not a bad thing, but irrelevant. What is all that evolution since the Paleolithic that you talk about compared to the power to create reality? You think you've come a long way since you were 3 years old. your ego has done it. You, as an existence, function at another level, this is the level where we try to be, and for that we have to put in the background the level of the ego, of the human in relation to his environment.

Existence is already complete, there's nothing to do there. Here's where the fun's at.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, vibv said:

Existence is already complete, there's nothing to do there. Here's where the fun's at.

I don't know what means complete, What I know is that the work is to get out of the conceptual mind to place yourself in the mind of reality. You, now, are reality creating the universe, it is not the typical phrase that is said, it is the obvious reality, but you are not aware of that because you are operating on another plane. The point is to figure out how to elevate yourself to the real plane, how to be as aware as possible of what you are. It's an issue about openess

Edited September 29, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is much deeper than a paradigm. It's a hallucination.

I don't understand when you say that. In any case it would be a limited opening to what reality is, an awareness of a certain dimension of reality. but illusion implies deception. How do you know that people who say they are enlightened are deceived?

[Yimpa]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How do you know that people who say they are enlightened are deceived?

You can also extend this question to ask “How do you know that Leo is not deceived?”

Let’s not leave any stone unturned and derive the answers using God’s Intelligence.

After all, nobody, not even Leo, can hand you Consciousness.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Yimpa

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

You can also extend this question to ask “How do you know that Leo is not deceived?”

Let’s not leave any stone unturned and derive the answers using God’s Intelligence 

I guess someday you/I'll have to take the leap and be free of any doubt. I got a feeling..

[vibv]

38 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Please dive deep into what hallucinations are in your upcoming course. I’ve been having deeper hallucinations and trying to ask rational people about them is cringe.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

What is your understanding of 'hallucination'?

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

I guess someday you/I'll have to take the leap and be free of any doubt. I got a feeling..

Indeed. We shall go out in peace and transcend the Leo Wizard.

[vibv]

48 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

In any case, live however you want. Happy contemplation.

I'll contemplate and deconstruct it all, no doubt. Everything I write here is based on my current understanding, else I couldn't write anything at all.

Why write then in the first place?

To help me deconstruct but also solidify my current understanding. Both processes happen at the same time. Differentiation and integration.

[Yimpa]

9 minutes ago, vibv said:

What is your understanding of 'hallucination'?

One example (out of an infinite, of course) is instead of listening to music, you can literally become music.

Not as a human, of course.

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

One example (out of an infinite, of course) is instead of listening to music, you can literally become music.

Not as a human, of course.

Juicy stuff! I even like to think of this dream as the greatest symphony ever created.

[UnbornTao]

56 minutes ago, vibv said:

I'm committed to not clinging to my understanding. It advances the more I confront assumptions. But there's always some version of understanding, that's true for everyone. Even you have your personal understanding, and that will not be the same understanding you arrive at 10 years from now.

Okey-dokey.

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Okey-dokey.

Hi Peter Ralston!

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

You can also extend this question to ask “How do you know that Leo is not deceived?”

Let’s not leave any stone unturned and derive the answers using God’s Intelligence.

After all, nobody, not even Leo, can hand you Consciousness.

This is all a subtle issue. To have a more precise vision, it is best to develop what is stated sincerely, with the intention of transmitting your vision. 

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is all a subtle issue. To have a more precise vision, it is best to develop what is stated sincerely, with the intention of transmitting your vision. 

And that requires letting go of your old paradigms if you have big vision! 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

And that requires letting go of your old paradigms if you have big vision! 

I have no paradigms

[vibv]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I have no paradigms

LOL