Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Not you.

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Understander said:

I didn't realize It's funny until you mentioned ?. For real.

Now it really got funnier. I 

[Nemra]

@Princess Arabia

That's also funny. ?

To infinity and beyond.

[vibv]

50 minutes ago, SOUL said:

The moralizing of it and the punishment for not conforming to their interpretation may be more dramatic but it isn't that much different in behavior to the way that people on this forum behave when interacting with people who have a differing interpretation of their same belief.

It is more drastic to say someone will be tortured in hell for eternity than it is to say you will stay asleep in illusion but the same psychological mechanism is working in their mind that drives them to perceive the differing perspective in this way and behave in this similar pattern.

Interesting point of view, thank you for that.

[Jehovah increases]

Say hello to my oompa loompa friend whom you call the devil. 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Jehovah increases

[Danioover9000]

@BlackPhil  I'll partly admit that events like this here:

   Would probably make me pray a bit, something dodgy about that fire and the whole handling of the situation.

[TheAlchemist]

22 hours ago, BlackPhil said:

For anyone who has experienced astral projections. Or sleep paralysis demons. There is a reason you can only call them away with the name of Jesus Christ. Not any other prophet or religious figure.

Christ is god.

I once did an experiment and let a sleep paralysis "demon" kill me. I decided I will not give into fear and I will see through this illusion. It was very difficult, my heart was beating like crazy, but I let the being approach my paralyzed body and it stabbed me right in the middle of the chest with a huge knife. I let it kill me.

Guess what happened?

Everything vanished. The being which you might call a "demon" vanished and I was floating in empty formless nothingness. From this empty formlessness, I imagined my way into a dream, and happily dreamt my way through the night after that.

That experience dropped a lot of fear in my psyche towards these "demons" and now I can even have compassion for these imagined beings in some ways. They are symbolic representations of something very deep in the psyche. Likely something that has been banished from love and rejected. 

[Leo Gura]

@TheAlchemist When I send one of my demons after you, you will not escape so easy

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

If your mama and papa threatened to throw you in a lake of fire if you misbehaved and told you you were a sinner and you are not worthy of their love until you repented of your worldly sins, you would be traumatized too. 

Right… but that’s not the end of the story.

That’s the problem with being stuck in a religious paradigm. You are blind to story being INFINITE. Then you get lost defending your “one true story” like this sheep that can’t get up on its own:

 

[Nemra]

@TheAlchemist

Christians ...

want to be saved by christ, but forgetting the devil or the demons will save them.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Understander

[TheAlchemist]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@TheAlchemist When I send one of my demons after you, you will not escape so easy

 Honestly, I realized I haven't fully trancended this fear at the deepest levels and this idea of evil that is talked about in the bible is still operating somewhere in the background. Uncovering layers that run very very deep. It's very tough overcoming the childhood religious indoctrination. Especially in altered states where those themes seem to often come to the surface. 

[TheAlchemist]

6 minutes ago, Understander said:

@TheAlchemist

Christians ...

want to be saved by Christ, but forgetting the devil will save them.

You mean that the devil will "save" them because the idea of the devil is what keeps the duality alive as it symbolizes that which is denied, repressed and cut off from love?

If that's not what you mean, can you expand on what you're referring to with that?

[Nemra]

@TheAlchemist I mean that christ is an imagination on top of a more fundamental imagination which is the existence of the devil or demons. They run from the thing that they have to confront and accept, which is not an easy thing to do. The fear of that is what keeps the illusion alive. Actually, the christ is a sneaky imagination who keeps them from realizing that. He is the actual thing to be saved from. if one of them wants to do that, he/she has to cut off or isolate themselves from the environment that feeds that fear (not saying that you should not socialize with christians and not be friends with them).

So, yes, I agree with you.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Understander

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, TheAlchemist said:

I once did an experiment and let a sleep paralysis "demon" kill me. I decided I will not give into fear and I will see through this illusion. It was very difficult, my heart was beating like crazy, but I let the being approach my paralyzed body and it stabbed me right in the middle of the chest with a huge knife. I let it kill me.

Guess what happened?

Everything vanished. The being which you might call a "demon" vanished and I was floating in empty formless nothingness. From this empty formlessness, I imagined my way into a dream, and happily dreamt my way through the night after that.

That experience dropped a lot of fear in my psyche towards these "demons" and now I can even have compassion for these imagined beings in some ways. They are symbolic representations of something very deep in the psyche. Likely something that has been banished from love and rejected. 

Wow one of my friends recently told me when he suffered sleep paralysis he had a female demon attack him. He fought it off though. Interesting I come across your post....

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@TheAlchemist When I send one of my demons after you, you will not escape so easy

Sigh Leo and his devilry working overtime....?

[hyruga]

Sleep paralysis is due to lack of air ventilation in your room and your body reacting because you are not getting good air. 

You still won't die so easily from the poor air condition (as there's still enough air)

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, hyruga said:

Sleep paralysis is due to lack of air ventilation in your room and your body reacting because you are not getting good air. 

You still won't die so easily from the poor air condition (as there's still enough air)

I don't doubt this because when mine happened, I was in a hotel room. Not only that, I was staying in hotels constantly at the time, like 4 or 5 days/wk for like 2yrs straight. So, this probably explains it as the rooms had no windows (they had, but you couldn't open them) and I was just using the air-conditioner or heat. It's a weird experience, that sleep paralysis thing. Someone explained the Spiritual meaning behind the cause of them, but I forgot what it was.

[Yimpa]

20 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your way of approaching spirituality has worked very well for more than 2000 years, Christians and Muslims have exploited it thoroughly. It is about promoting terror as a form of domination, to subjugate humans. Today there are billions of people terrorized by abusers of your kind, who hate freedom. It is a serious disease that should be eradicated.

Kinda sounds like something Hitler would say, just in a different context… hmm

[CoolDreamThanks]

If you are talking about ACIM, then yes, those are the highest teachings on our planet.

[Yimpa]

13 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Wow one of my friends recently told me when he suffered sleep paralysis he had a female demon attack him. He fought it off though. Interesting I come across your post....

No, no! It’s called sheep paralysis!

[TheAlchemist]

17 hours ago, Understander said:

@TheAlchemist I mean that christ is an imagination on top of a more fundamental imagination which is the existence of the devil or demons. They run from the thing that they have to confront and accept, which is not an easy thing to do. The fear of that is what keeps the illusion alive. Actually, the christ is a sneaky imagination who keeps them from realizing that. He is the actual thing to be saved from. if one of them wants to do that, he/she has to cut off or isolate themselves from the environment that feeds that fear (not saying that you should not socialize with christians and not be friends with them).

So, yes, I agree with you.

That's very insightful. I have also thought about this, how fundamentalist evangelical Christianity is as much, if not more about belief in Satan/Devil/demons, as it is about belief in God. 

Yes, I think the fear of "Satan" (all that is labelled evil and utterly undesirable) is what causes the person to abandon connection to themselves and that results in a sort of surrendering of the ego to a belief system such as Christianity. Jesus and the whole Christian myth serves as a sort of lifeboat, and "rescues" one from that deep fear of Satan.

Interestingly, I think that shift into a deep belief in Jesus can in some cases be the result of becoming more conscious and aware. I mean this in the case where the belief isn't just blindly adopted as a result of indoctrination, but when the belief comes as a result of some internal crisis. The person has a serious face-off with the falsehood, the evil and the ugliness of the world, all of which was previously not acknowledged or was denied.

Then in this epic moment, if the suitable language for that exists, all that which is undesirable is perceived to be "Satan" and Jesus and the whole story associated with that appears as a sort of lifeline from that utter horror.

It kind of works; it provides many with peace and respite, but ultimately it is still conditional, and now the thing that is feared even more than "Satan" is the loss of the new found faith. 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by TheAlchemist

[Jehovah increases]

37 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

No, no! It’s called sheep paralysis!

???