The Self Love Gamble over Lifetimes is bad design.

[BlueOak]

Reaching self-love seems like a complete gamble, so much so the system is absurd.

Each lifetime you guess a set of parameters you'll incarnate into or if you believe/feel we are attracted to incarnations, are attracted into a new incarnation. Then hope the experiences surrounding us, or we attract and seek out, somehow generate enough of an impulse toward love rather than conflict.  Sure you'll have an impulse from the last lifetime(s) for better or worse, and cyclic repeating events, but that's not the main thing that drives you in your choices. The moment drives you, the immediate environment, the memory of your life experience, and maybe if you are lucky enough to catch it intuition.

There are other places with different parameters than this world but duality is still the intersecting point of them. It really is just running forward and hoping conflict doesn't keep knocking you down while blind in each incarnation. Unless you somehow wander into a teacher (or events) who can help you out enough to see yourself? Then you get a better shot but not much. The older you get the more broad your points of reference, and the more conflicts are within your experience.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

One "but" - this roundabout, this sinusoida of life does not lie on flat, straight line, but on parabola. In larger picture You make progress anyway, "all the time". Even if some period of regression happens, You still evolve. Btw, what else can You do, as timeless, eternal, immortal being in whose nature is to become? And all this incarnation concept is quite innacurate - you don't have a body, you are consciousness?

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

Reaching self-love seems like a complete gamble, so much so the system is absurd.

Each lifetime you guess a set of parameters you'll incarnate into or if you believe/feel we are attracted to incarnations, are attracted into a new incarnation. Then hope the experiences surrounding us, or we attract and seek out, somehow generate enough of an impulse toward love rather than conflict.  Sure you'll have an impulse from the last lifetime(s) for better or worse, and cyclic repeating events, but that's not the main thing that drives you in your choices. The moment drives you, the immediate environment, the memory of your life experience, and maybe if you are lucky enough to catch it intuition.

There are other places with different parameters than this world but duality is still the intersecting point of them. It really is just running forward and hoping conflict doesn't keep knocking you down while blind in each incarnation. Unless you somehow wander into a teacher (or events) who can help you out enough to see yourself? Then you get a better shot but not much. The older you get the more broad your points of reference, and the more conflicts are within your experience.

The point of life is not to avoid conflicts, the point of life is to love everyone even those who create conflict with you. Also...YOU designed it this way so you are just complaining about your own design. Also if the design is so bad.....then why does every movie and t.v. show copy the design of life. Notice that every drama, every comedy, tries to mimic life. 

Characters have certain flaws and weaknesses in these stories, and they must come into contact with adversity to realize their flaws, their shadows, and face them, and learn to live with them without them disrupting their lives anymore.

[BlueOak]

On 9/25/2023 at 1:10 PM, Kuba Powiertowski said:

One "but" - this roundabout, this sinusoida of life does not lie on flat, straight line, but on parabola. In larger picture You make progress anyway, "all the time". Even if some period of regression happens, You still evolve. Btw, what else can You do, as timeless, eternal, immortal being in whose nature is to become? And all this incarnation concept is quite innacurate - you don't have a body, you are consciousness?

Maybe the cyclic events are what bring focus here, and if I persist I will have lifetimes of unconsciousness again.
 

What are you becoming? Who or what is evolving? There is just this:

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Yet even though I know this in great unlimited depth without constraints, I am still here talking to myself.
 

On 9/25/2023 at 1:24 PM, Razard86 said:

The point of life is not to avoid conflicts, the point of life is to love everyone even those who create conflict with you. Also...YOU designed it this way so you are just complaining about your own design. Also if the design is so bad.....then why does every movie and t.v. show copy the design of life. Notice that every drama, every comedy, tries to mimic life. 

Characters have certain flaws and weaknesses in these stories, and they must come into contact with adversity to realize their flaws, their shadows, and face them, and learn to live with them without them disrupting their lives anymore.

I could go on another billion lifetimes inventing flaws to solve. I am sure it would be entertaining, as it used to be.

I don't want to be entertained or intellectually satisfied anymore.

I've answered my own question. Thank you.

[CoolDreamThanks]

The universe is designed to make you suffer, not to guide you towards love, so the design is great, it does what it's supposed to. There is a way out, but there is no happiness within the dream; that is not its purpose. 

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

The universe is designed to make you suffer, not to guide you towards love, so the design is great, it does what it's supposed to. There is a way out, but there is no happiness within the dream; that is not its purpose. 

There is happiness within the dream, I'm happy all the time. Happiness, Peace, is the fundamental reality. Suffering is just judgment.

[CoolDreamThanks]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

There is happiness within the dream, I'm happy all the time. Happiness, Peace, is the fundamental reality. Suffering is just judgment.

You don't know what true happiness is if you are saying there is happiness within the dream. There are good things within the dream, but they are here only to trick you into not wanting to escape it. Also, every pleasurable thing always comes with a negative downside. Have you not noticed that? Look deeper. Happiness and Peace are the fundamental reality, which are just names of God, but this dream is not the fundamental reality. This dream is what interferes with reality, together with thoughts or judgments. As long as you are dreaming, you won't find true happiness. If you still believe in the beauty of this dream, you have some untangling to do. 

[Jehovah increases]

But you see you are the universe. This dream is your reality and if you so wish to suffer then you will but that is entirely up to you. If you can not see the beauty in your own creation then you will never understand. Imperfection is perfection.

[CoolDreamThanks]

1 minute ago, Jehovah increases said:

But you see you are the universe. This dream is your reality and if you so wish to suffer then you will but that is entirely up to you. If you can not see the beauty in your own creation then you will never understand. Imperfection is perfection.

The universe is superimposed on me, it's not me. The universe is an illusion, and I am not. I see creation with no distortions, and it is awful. I did create it, but I also know why I created it and the reason was fear. Imperfection is literally not perfection. How can you guys be so confused? Why are you following someone so blindly to the point of writing absurd things? 

[Jehovah increases]

5 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

The universe is superimposed on me, it's not me. The universe is an illusion, and I am not. I see creation with no distortions, and it is awful. I did create it, but I also know why I created it and the reason was fear. Imperfection is literally not perfection. How can you guys be so confused? Why are you following someone so blindly to the point of writing absurd things? 

You are the universe and it was not created out of fear. You created it out of love. From the absolute, there is no difference between perfection and imperfection. I follow no one but myself.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Jehovah increases

[CoolDreamThanks]

3 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

You are the universe and it was not created out of fear. You created it out of love. From the absolute, there is no difference between perfection and imperfection. I follow no one but myself.

:Facepalming emoji:

[Jehovah increases]

2 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

:Facepalming emoji:

I will take that as a compliment.

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

You don't know what true happiness is if you are saying there is happiness within the dream. There are good things within the dream, but they are here only to trick you into not wanting to escape it. Also, every pleasurable thing always comes with a negative downside. Have you not noticed that? Look deeper. Happiness and Peace are the fundamental reality, which are just names of God, but this dream is not the fundamental reality. This dream is what interferes with reality, together with thoughts or judgments. As long as you are dreaming, you won't find true happiness. If you still believe in the beauty of this dream, you have some untangling to do. 

Lol ......again I am happy all the time. Happiness is the default state of reality. Peace is the default state of reality. If you are not aware of this then you are not aware of your true nature. I am happy all the time. I became aware that happiness is not even an emotional state...it is literally what Consciousness is made of. You can say Consciousness is happy all the time with itself. It is whole and complete. So yes I am happy all the time, as long as I am conscious of what I am. 

I welcome you to explore that possibility for yourself and stop telling yourself these lies.

[CoolDreamThanks]

@Razard86 you did not understand my message. It's either lack of intellect or lack of time spent trying to grasp it.

[Jehovah increases]

What exactly is intellect? If you don't understand your own understanding of what please enlighten all of us. What are we meant to grasp? 

[CoolDreamThanks]

4 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

What exactly is intellect? If you don't understand your own understanding of what please enlighten all of us. What are we meant to grasp? 

Your confusion is so deep that it's impossible to enlighten you.

[Jehovah increases]

1 minute ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

Your confusion is so deep that it's impossible to enlighten you.

Really my own cofusion? So praytell what is enlightenment?

[CoolDreamThanks]

Just now, Jehovah increases said:

Really my own cofusion? So praytell what is enlightenment?

It's simple. Enlightenment is what remains after you let go of everything in form, clear your consciousness of it's contents and come back to your original nature, which is Love/God.

[Jehovah increases]

I am always God in whatever nature or state that you believe I already know. Clear my consciousness? I am an infinite consciousness forever God is forever dreaming in infinite states.

[CoolDreamThanks]

Just now, Jehovah increases said:

I am always God in whatever nature or state that you believe I already know. Clear my consciousness? I am an infinite consciousness forever God is forever dreaming in infinite states.

Nop.