A problem with removing morals.

[jdc7733]

I was going to make a long post but decided to make it short: you can do what you want but actions have consequences, possibly more far reaching than you realise. 

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, jdc7733 said:

I was going to make a long post but decided to make it short: you can do what you want but actions have consequences, possibly more far reaching than you realise. 

In one sense yes, in another sense....nope!!! The secret to life...is you have to find out for yourself...what I discovered...is it is not as simple as you think....LOL.

[De Sade]

2 hours ago, jdc7733 said:

I was going to make a long post but decided to make it short: you can do what you want but actions have consequences, possibly more far reaching than you realise. 

Consequences are a figment of God's mind,they can't really hurt you if you don't imagine that they are.

[caspex]

This is why it's important to study religions and traditions in the morals they preach, sort out the ones you rationalize to be best and open your mind to other morals that you simply might discard. It's very probable that humanity in it's long history would have realized that certain actions have far reaching consequences and implemented morals that curb these. Hinduism, in this regard, has the largest most informative knowledge through the concept of karma in my honest opinion.

[Ajay0]

Western philosophies like nihilism and existentialism argue that virtues and morals are mere abstract contrivances without any relevance of their own. These philosophies have been considered to be a cause for the world wars as stated by philosopher and psychologist Viktor Frankl.

 

In eastern philosophy on the other hand, moral values and virtues are considered to be valuable in expansion of consciousness (and destruction of karma) alongside meditation, awareness or total love and instrumental in attainment of enlightenment or Buddhahood.

Enlightened masters like Buddha, Anandamayi Ma and RAjini Menon have stated that adherence to virtuous conduct leads to enlightenment...

Some sayings by these masters in this regard...

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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
 

Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1

If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon

An ethical life purifies the mind. Even though one may have no faith in God, if one believes in some Superior Power or pursues a high ideal, this also will serve one's purpose. By living an ethical life, one progresses towards the realization of the Divine. ~ Anandamayi Ma

 

 

Rajini Menon is a modern female enlightened master who attained enlightenment by virtuous conduct alone. I had created a thread in this regard...

 

[Schizophonia]

There is only the will of God.

For example veganism: God dreams of loving to kill and eat animals, , which implies a dangerous and ego-threatening world.

-Either you capitulate, and enjoy this fatty and juicy chicken thigh.

-Either you resist, you rebel against God and try to recreate the world in a version that protects your ego ("oh eating animals is eating corpses! it's bad! you have to create a world just because blah blah blah") And you will find yourself eating borring bean porridge armored with tomatoes, turmeric and random spices.Then you will desperately try to rediscover the pleasure of animal foods by cooking your potatoes in the oven to rediscover the maillard flavor, putting a ton of oil in your dishes to add flavor, etc. etc.

I could cite plenty of examples like that.

[jdc7733]

@Schizophonia

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

There is only the will of God.

For example veganism: God dreams of loving to kill and eat animals, , which implies a dangerous and ego-threatening world.

-Either you capitulate, and enjoy this fatty and juicy chicken thigh.

-Either you resist, you rebel against God and try to recreate the world in a version that protects your ego ("oh eating animals is eating corpses! it's bad! you have to create a world just because blah blah blah") And you will find yourself eating borring bean porridge armored with tomatoes, turmeric and random spices.Then you will desperately try to rediscover the pleasure of animal foods by cooking your potatoes in the oven to rediscover the maillard flavor, putting a ton of oil in your dishes to add flavor, etc. etc.

I could cite plenty of examples like that.

Angry vegans are also the will of god.@Swarnim

15 hours ago, Razard86 said:

In one sense yes, in another sense....nope!!! The secret to life...is you have to find out for yourself...what I discovered...is it is not as simple as you think....LOL.

Well, I can’t really comment since idk what it is you’re talking about. 

 

7 hours ago, Swarnim said:

This is why it's important to study religions and traditions in the morals they preach, sort out the ones you rationalize to be best and open your mind to other morals that you simply might discard. It's very probable that humanity in it's long history would have realized that certain actions have far reaching consequences and implemented morals that curb these. Hinduism, in this regard, has the largest most informative knowledge through the concept of karma in my honest opinion.

I see the effect as a synchronicity rather than karma, so, it’s more like the western sense of what goes around comes around but Leo teaches that it could be beneficial to get rid of shoulds and shouldn’ts. I guess the two could work together.

@Razard86 @Ajay0 @Schizophonia @De Sade

Edited September 23, 2023 by jdc7733

[Schizophonia]

@jdc7733 You are right, god also imagines these scenarios. 

[An young being]

Actions indeed have consequences. It is entirely possible to meditate only 5 minutes a day or be mindful and still attain enlightenment. But, you have to practice compassion, gratitude, Unconditional love, forgiveness etc. in your daily life. You have to break the barrier of sex, religion, nationality, and all those that divide you and enlarge your circle of inclusion of ego and humanity as much as you can. Once you enlarge your ego to include everyone and everything, the ego bubble will burst and you will become one with the air.

[An young being]

7 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

There is only the will of God.

For example veganism: God dreams of loving to kill and eat animals, , which implies a dangerous and ego-threatening world.

-Either you capitulate, and enjoy this fatty and juicy chicken thigh.

-Either you resist, you rebel against God and try to recreate the world in a version that protects your ego ("oh eating animals is eating corpses! it's bad! you have to create a world just because blah blah blah") And you will find yourself eating borring bean porridge armored with tomatoes, turmeric and random spices.Then you will desperately try to rediscover the pleasure of animal foods by cooking your potatoes in the oven to rediscover the maillard flavor, putting a ton of oil in your dishes to add flavor, etc. etc.

I could cite plenty of examples like that.

You don't have to resist. It's entirely possible to allow compassion to overcome the feeling of desire.

[Schizophonia]

Just now, An young being said:

You don't have to resist. It's entirely possible to allow compassion to overcome the feeling of desire.

Desire is the purest form of love.

[An young being]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Desire is the purest form of love.

What about ego centric desires? Desire to kill and rape?

[Schizophonia]

Just now, An young being said:

What about ego centric desires? Desire to kill and rape?

Love is selfish in essence.

Altruism is an illusion.

[An young being]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Love is selfish in essence.

Altruism is an illusion.

Everything is selfish as long as your ego exists. But we can always desire to be less selfish.

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, An young being said:

Everything is selfish as long as your ego exists. But we can always desire to be less selfish.

The confusion comes from the semantics of the notion of ego.
The fact is that “selfish” pleasures in the figurative, common sense are the least selfish in the true sense of the term.
Taste only slightly involves the ego, whereas compassion does.

[An young being]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

The confusion comes from the semantics of the notion of ego.
The fact is that “selfish” pleasures in the figurative, common sense are the least selfish in the true sense of the term.
Taste only slightly involves the ego, whereas compassion does.

Compassion involves the ego more in the sense that it helps to dissolve it.