About the last Insight post and general critique of Leo

[Scholar]

2 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

@Scholar I’m not disagreeing with the constructs you’ve created. There is truth and value within those constructs. There is infinite exploration within that structure, yet for me it’s also limiting on other planes of expansion. 
 

My mind is highly fluid, so I don’t resonate with definitions and statements of what is, is. To me, everything you stated of what IS above, is true within that framework. Yet it can also be dissolved, partially or fully. And then re-molded into many different forms. 
 

I’m not saying you are wrong or another view is more right or better. 

This thought below gives strong contrast among mindspaces.

First, this assumes a knowing of meaning for another. How do you know my meanings of “imagination” and “existence”? I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m saying it is a contracted mindspace. The idea is followed by a lengthy description of a structure to hold imagination and existence. There seems to be  a lot of insights within that structure. I’d actually like to play around with some of the points you make, yet your descriptions seem very very restrictive. To me, there is a lot of rigid “this is how it is”. It’s brilliant within an area, yet it’s not how my mind works. My mind doesn’t like to dwell within solid constructs. It likes to continually create, de-create and re-create. Being beholden within a mind structure is like being in prison to me. 

I'm describing a tool Forest, nothing more.

However, rigidly holding onto relativity and non-rigidity is it's own form of rigidity. For example, when it gets in the way of conversations because whenever something is said relativity must be pointed out anew.

[Razard86]

12 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

@Scholar I’m not disagreeing with the constructs you’ve created. There is truth and value within those constructs. There is infinite exploration within that structure, yet for me it’s also limiting on other planes of expansion. 
 

My mind is highly fluid, so I don’t resonate with definitions and statements of what is, is. To me, everything you stated of what IS above, is true within that framework. Yet it can also be dissolved, partially or fully. And then re-molded into many different forms. 
 

I’m not saying you are wrong or another view is more right or better. 

This thought below gives strong contrast among mindspaces.

First, this assumes a knowing of meaning for another. How do you know my meanings of “imagination” and “existence”? I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m saying it is a contracted mindspace. The idea is followed by a lengthy description of a structure to hold imagination and existence. There seems to be  a lot of insights within that structure. I’d actually like to play around with some of the points you make, yet your descriptions seem very very restrictive. To me, there is a lot of rigid “this is how it is”. It’s brilliant within an area, yet it’s not how my mind works. My mind doesn’t like to dwell within solid constructs. It likes to continually create, de-create and re-create. Being beholden within a mind structure is like being in prison to me. 

If only they knew that awakening was escaping the prison.....lol.

[Scholar]

26 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

 Being beholden within a mind structure is like being in prison to me. 

This translates to: Being stuck in L-Mode causes me suffering.

[Forestluv]

14 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This translates to: Being stuck in L-Mode causes me suffering.

If thats a serious comment, I’m flabbergasted. 

[Scholar]

13 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

If thats a serious comment, I’m flabbergasted. 

As you should be.

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

As you should be.

You didn’t fully breakthrough on your last trip. 

If you continue with psychedelics, I’ll be curious to see how a true breakthrough trip unfolds for you. I’m talking about a breakthrough so deep there is no return to dwelling within the previous mind structure. You haven’t gone there yet. And you may choose to never go there. . . There is a price to pay. ? 

[Scholar]

13 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

You didn’t fully breakthrough on your last trip. 

If you continue with psychedelics, I’ll be curious to see how a true breakthrough trip unfolds for you. I’m talking about a breakthrough so deep there is no return to dwelling within the previous mind structure. You haven’t gone there yet. And you may choose to never go there. . . There is a price to pay. ? 

Never is just a temporary arrangement.

[OBEler]

@Forestluv whats the price to pay? 

Had a first full breakthrough recently and it was easy. Felt complete normal after and was carrying on with my normal day

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, OBEler said:

@Forestluv whats the price to pay? 

Had a first full breakthrough recently and it was easy. Felt complete normal after and was carrying on with my normal day

Well he said a breakthrough so deep there is no returning to your previous mind structure.

[Yimpa]

13 minutes ago, OBEler said:

whats the price to pay? 

Your ideas of what is right and what is wrong.

[BuddhistLover]

I watched the blog post about science and omniscience. The one with the guy from the big conversation. I took a lot of notes on it and definitely can go further with the contemplation and insight from it. The big point that I see it boil down to is that it was a conversation between reality being an infinite singularity with succeeding eons where time is indistinguishable, and the other side said that reality is a reason for causation in mathematical abstract. That's um, what I really got out of the video. There is definitely a lot more that goes into it. Thanks Leo for sharing this information with us. 

[Forestluv]

@Scholar I hope you get another opportunity ? ? 

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@Forestluv whats the price to pay? 

Had a first full breakthrough recently and it was easy. Felt complete normal after and was carrying on with my normal day

That’s awesome. I’ve had those as well. No entry fee needed? ? 

[Adrian colby]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Have you ever fucked in a dream? It feels totally real.

Last night I had a dream of aliens surgically implanting tracking devices into my arm and leg. It felt so real I woke up freaked out.

The material world is as imaginary as the sleeping world. Just more vivid and stable.

I’ve been experimenting with this a lot recently. Once I got the ‘reality is imagination’ part I started trying to dissolve it while maintaining conscious awareness while sober. Shutting down the bodies sense perceptions and replacing them with those that reform in the minds eye, a completely new world, body and senses appear. No distinction between those and the ones from this world. 

Training focus, concentration meditation helps a lot with this but so does mastering one’s emotions. Too much excitement snaps you back here.

the psychedelics showed how and where to focus, now I can do it sober. Just doesn’t happen that often

what I like about sober travel is that the reality that forms is more stable and coherent. I do get the mandala fractals from time to time and sometimes cartoon like artscapes and I’ve woken up or should I say become aware in the bright white light a few times too. 
 

it’s easier to pop a few mushrooms and let them do the work but I’m getting a great desire to develop the skill sober. 
 

it may have something to do with being able to astral project as a child. It was similar but only ever situated in my bedroom or over the house. I’ve been unable to replicate that as an adult 

I do love when I realize I’m in a less solid world and always… always turn into a dragon ???✨?

[Arthogaan]

23 hours ago, Michal__ said:

Wait till you realize there are ways to input anything into the imagination you explore in higher states and then when you get down to a normal state of consciousness it will still affect your life. 

Imagination consciousness gains are like magickal sprinkles that you can spend on your desire when you learn how to shape it :)))))

I do not know whether the method I use to do that would work for many people though. 

a) lower the amount of thoughts massively you have via Shamatha meditation

b) [thought about the way you want to manipulate reality] * 1000 000 = cloud your mind (won´t tell you how, it is related to affirmations though) 

Combine with intent (learn what is intent via using magick to become better at magick)

= replace all the space you freed via concentration by new ways to shape reality

This will make you extremely tired.

c) raise consciousness via psychedelic = clear your mind & charge the thought mush you created

The thoughts will get fueled, fullfiled and energized

d) continue with b) -> THIS WILL KILL THE WHOLE TRIP in a matter of minutes

e) redose / repeat again as many times as possible

f) week without magick -> the effects in reality will be many, many times stronger than with any magickal working you have done before 

Being able to do a) & b) is why it wont work for most of you ;-)

[FULL, UGLY, NORMAL MIND] -> [EMPTY, ZEN MIND] -> [THOUGHTS ABOUT _ * 1000 000] -> PSYCHEDELIC -> [THOUGHTS ABOUT _ * 1000 000] * INFINITE IMAGINATION -> [NORMAL SOBER MIND, changed by what just happened] -> REPEAT

This is not a theory, I am just describing accurately my new experiences.

Thanks for this @Michal__

Can you elaborate on the "it will kill a trip instantly"?

Lets say I purify the mind, and visualize with strong intent dancing with Leo. Then I consume LSD and I clear the mind again and when LSD start working I return to the created thought form of me dancing with Leo.

Are you saying that if I focus strongly enough on that vision my LSD trip will last much shorter? 

 

[Michal__]

43 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

Thanks for this @Michal__

Can you elaborate on the "it will kill a trip instantly"?

Lets say I purify the mind, and visualize with strong intent dancing with Leo. Then I consume LSD and I clear the mind again and when LSD start working I return to the created thought form of me dancing with Leo.

Are you saying that if I focus strongly enough on that vision my LSD trip will last much shorter? 

 

Gotta use affirmations to produce infinitely self repeating affirmations in your mind :DD

Learn to do that sober. If subliminals work for you, then you might be able to do it that way. 

That is something you can do sober and then learn how it interacts with psychedelics.

Normally it would drain the clarity of mind you got through meditation, but you can also use the clarity you get from tripping.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Michal__

[Razard86]

On 9/23/2023 at 7:29 AM, Davino said:

@Razard86

I've been watching Leo's video about solipsism since yesterday. I've had one of the biggest existential crisis of my life. Like taking out that one stone that makes the whole castle stand together. I realized solipsism before but not at this deepth and groundedness. I'm happy to finally be coming out of it with a new sense of clarity. It has been a deep purge really. I wanted to even write a post here asking for help but it was just so absurd to think in those lines that I couldn't even push myself to ask for help. Luckily I could still have some anchor with my partner, although that level of paradox was almost breaking my mind it definetely helped me to make peace with myself. Whatever I imagine is reality and I paint myself into existence.

Solipsism is just so radical and threatening to this human dream... I'm really curious to see how this awakening unfolds itself in the next days. It blows my mind how I can always awake deeper. Solipsism has been a brutal Awakening, I'm thankful I was able to surrender and love truth. 

The key to loving Solipsism is to love your avatar unconditionally. Think about it....every complaint you have about life is about the avatar. You don't like the way people have treated the avatar, you don't like certain characteristics about the avatar, you think the avatar can be improved if it acquires material possessions, and more abilities. See? Everything is about the avatar not being good enough!!! Absolute Solipsism is a test!!!! Did you live a life of love and truth for your Avatar? Did you show it proper respect and care? If you did, then by virtue you would do it to your "others" because how you treat yourself is a reflection of how you treat others. Every single trait others show you, are all traits you express as well and if you pay attention you will eventually see you are a hypocrite. You do the same things others do, just in a different way.

^^^This is what we all do, and its because these desires are synonymous with God. The creator, and the created are just reflections of each other and cannot be any other way. Once you realize that you cannot be any other way than you currently are at the deepest level, then you can finally accept the TRUTH of what you are. People don't know what the DEVIL actually is....the DEVIL is just self-hatred, low self-worth. What we call DEPRESSION!!! You can only get depressed, when you don't love yourself. This is why the human identity needs to be dropped eventually, or you can go the Jesus route and merge that identity with the Absolute and call yourself the son or daughter of God. 

But if you only see yourself as some human...you cannot live in or from truth. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/01/26/why-the-super-successful-get-depressed/?sh=13e319e73850

https://psychcentral.com/depression/are-wealthy-people-more-depressed-than-others

The desire for control is the source of all self-hatred. The less controlling you are, the more happier you will be. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Razard86

[Spiral Wizard]

On 24/09/2023 at 3:32 PM, Leo Gura said:

This has nothing to do with it.

Do not muddle Consciousness with human crap. It's you who is clinging to your humanity and using that to corrupt pure Consciousness.

So where is your motivation to chase higher levels of consciousness coming from if not from pain? Is it inherent in consciousness? Does everyone who is in that consciousness have the same motivation?