About the last Insight post and general critique of Leo

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Interesting ! Have you tried a sensory deprivation type of setting ? Even just lying still in silent darkness

I rarely trip in the dark.

Darkness is suitable for certain psychedelics but not others.

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Also when you think of it, don't we die every night ? It's not that radical 

I don't see it as the same thing.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Leo Gura

[SOUL]

10 hours ago, Razard86 said:

There is ONLY IMAGINATION!!! IMAGINATION IS ABSOLUTE!!! That's it!!! LOL. You are so paradigm locked!!!

Are you ok? Just be well with whatever it is you believe...leave me out of it.

[Loveeee]

@Leo Gura

But then no wonder you never experience no human left ? Sensory deprivation is used in WILD (Wake Initiated Lucid Dreaming), OBEs, astral projection , shifting, etc., in other words : creation

It's that empty canvas 

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by Loveeee

[SOUL]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Its difficult to say , but I'd say that you as a human are a pattern of existence, a form in reality, or consciousness or whatever you want to name it. Each pattern of reality represents a blockage of the level of consciousness, a limitation, since if it were not so it could not be organized in a certain pattern. The human pattern has a range of opening possibilities. from closed degrees, I don't know, Attila the Hun, to more open degrees, Ramana Maharshi, etc. So, if you can increase your consciousness by reconfiguring the pattern that you are to open yourself more to reality

A pattern of existence, a form, sure. Yet manifest existence in all its infinite forms is an expression of consciousness, the actual physical fruit of consciousness.

In the bounty that is this 'universal thing' there are beings that have minds which perceive limitations that can present themselves as blockages to their awareness expanding to its infinite potential.

The variations appear as a virtual infinite array of characteristics of mind that affect the behavior of those beings, without judging this as a negative or positive, it just is.

Also, whether that conscious being aware of its own behavior can modify perception from a previous state to an intentional subsequent state is debated by those beings.

[gettoefl]

16 hours ago, Davino said:

What does the character do then? that is the hard point. The game in a sense has lost all it's juice, how does the character still play the game so to speak, when it has seen it for what it is. It's not like it's gonna keep playing like nothing happened. The absolute solipsism is not the problem, the point is the integration of that solipsism into your every day life when you cannot unsee it anymore. That's the real deal that I'm going through. The patterns and behaviours of the character are seen from a radically different light. That seeing is painful in itself but not bad, I know that. I'm just rethinking all of myself at this point and my approach to others in this dream. It is a painful proccess like a self operation without anesthesia.

think of solipsism like this ... you are only currently living say 50% of your true capacity ... there are clones of you all around to help you to full capacity ... you placed countless clones in exactly the right spot to jolt you and to help you remember your nature ... all your clones are beautiful pieces of you that you deem alien

[gettoefl]

9 hours ago, Osaid said:

Lol no, the "dream" perfectly incorporates itself. Never changes. Just your beliefs about it. Very funny when you truly realize this.

Imagine you start up a new Minecraft realm. The immediate and absolute perception is a terrain of blocks, and a rendered distance, and whatever else. You think, "I'm human". You think "Nothing exists beyond perception". You think "I'm God creating all of this". You think "I'm a creature that survives in this weird dimension." You think "There are other dimensions beyond this one." You think "This is all just illusion." You think "I'm just imagining all of this." You think "I'm just playing a video game." And you can think forever. But all these thoughts revolve and contort themselves around the EXACT same perceptual experience, which is always there. Because experience is not actually changing, what is happening is that you are literally imagining different concepts as if they are more true or real than the previous one, and then using those concepts to point to the exact same direct experience which all your previous concepts have pointed to, but you perceive it as different because you react differently, and it triggers different thought patterns, and the content of the concept is slight different, and whatever else. 

In a hyperbolic way, it's kind of like when someone smokes a lot of weed and is like "Oh my god dude, have you ever realized that this wall is literally like, a wall? You can't think of a wall, it's always directly experienced! Woahhhh..." It's the age old stereotype of weed smokers stating the "obvious" in a more profound sentiment. The experience of the wall did not change. Their previous beliefs about walls did.

 

yea all thoughts lie and keep you stuck believing you are a finite limited separate self

no you are not ... let thoughts go their own way rather than attached and thinking you are amazing

awareness is the absolute way to live, you can do everything you have always done only it will be done for you and better than you

[Davino]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Also, in my experience what you imagine interferes and conflicts, so imagining everything at once doesn't work. Dreams exclude other dreams. States exclude other states. You can't be hungry and full at the same time. You can't be drunk and sober at the same time.

I've awoken to contradictory states of consciousness simultaneously happening at once. It feels extremely holistic and mind opening, like you are a 360 camera with litle eyes like a fly each with a different state of consciousness. Obviously in the end you are in a state of consciousness that includes other states of consciousness. I've experienced this just once but I know it's possible. What I don't know is how far you can push it but open your mind to such a possibility because it happened for me.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura What about shared dreams? 

Thomas  campbell explained this very well and even experienced with his son that both were one night in a shared dream where they could interact together (they were diving together in ocean and a big Whale was there). 

So could this "physical reality" be also a big shared dream between gods? Every God is in his own world and when you see a couch you dream this up but another God can see this Couch also in his World. This Couch can be anything but it is connected and created to both dreamers. This whole shared dream is like a Radio Sender on a certain frequency and we all gods are willfully tuned into this one frequency. 

I heard stories that some people when tripping can see the same hallucination. But only if they are both on same consciousness level So if the one would not trip he would not see the hallucination the other sees. So taking psychedelics is like switching the Radio channel to another one. 

Somehow this dreamed mind stuff can be shared, synchronized with other dreamers. You can walk through a wall in your mind but this will be Updated with the shared dream and you will later feel that you banged your head against the wall. So there is a synchronization happening here with this big shared dream. It's like lagging in a video game lol. In the end the shared dream catches up. So also this Couch, which can be a dragon for you, will be a Couch again and your all powerful mind cannot switch it back to a dragon.the shared dream is stronger as long as you are tuned into this frequency. 

Also you can for sure transform into an alien but you cannot show it to us. Because most of us live in a shared dream and Leo is Leo in this shared dream and not an alien. But if we raise our consciousness to leave this big shared dream, such things could be possible. 

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by OBEler

[Razard86]

6 hours ago, SOUL said:

Are you ok? Just be well with whatever it is you believe...leave me out of it.

Actions reveal how you really feel...if you want to be left out...why did you respond?

[vibv]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Also, in my experience what you imagine interferes and conflicts, so imagining everything at once doesn't work. Dreams exclude other dreams. States exclude other states. You can't be hungry and full at the same time. You can't be drunk and sober at the same time.

There are also states that contain other states. There's the perspective of the Godhead which contains all other perspectives.

There also have to be perspectives that exclude all other perspectives, or else the Godhead wouldn't be able to have any perspective, because to have the perspective of all perspectives, there needs to be the possibility to experience those in the first place.

So what are we? Are we the Godhead having all perspectives at once or are we the human having only one very specific perspective and experience? Of course both, but right now there seems to be only this experience. It's like seasons or a kind of day/night cycle. Now you see it, now you don't. Both realities are dependent on each other.

[Sincerity]

10 hours ago, UnlovingGod said:

I've played league of legends while on coke. I was able to control my character with my pure will, like those monkey with chip implants. And literally everything there was, was this 2D perception of League of Legends.

I was sitting on my couch and boom, League of Legends.

It felt like those classic Salvia Trips you always hear.

Just to be clear, there was no Computer involved haha, just me, my mind and coke.

Post of the week LOL

Just me, my mind and coke ?

[Spiral Wizard]

On 21/09/2023 at 9:45 PM, Leo Gura said:

Would you rather reach level 1, 100, or 1000 in your life?

Only what I‘m ready for. 

I‘m not interested in level 10000 if that is out of harmony, balance, and inclusion/embodiment of all parts of my self & Self. 

That‘s wisdom.

Ask yourself, why can’t you be contempt with level 1? 

Chasing higher and higher levels of consciousness is running away from pain. It’s clinging, resistance & suffering.

What happens when you sit alone in a pitch dark cave for two weeks? All your shit will come up. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Spiral Wizard said:

Chasing higher and higher levels of consciousness is running away from pain. It’s clinging, resistance & suffering.

I don't think it's like that. It is human nature, which never settles. For me, the fundamental step for now is opening up to the true nature of reality in a permanent way. This is what is called enlightenment, realizing what you are. Not what you are doing, the structure of reality, etc, but the essence of reality, the absolute.  But once I have achieved this in a stable and profound way, I don't think I will it until my death like a Buddha, but will continue exploring. my human nature pushes that

[vibv]

17 minutes ago, Spiral Wizard said:

Chasing higher and higher levels of consciousness is running away from pain. It’s clinging, resistance & suffering.

What happens when you sit alone in a pitch dark cave for two weeks? All your shit will come up. 

 

It’s not about avoiding pain, it’s about going into the darkness and raising consciousness that way, because you realize you are the Light. All shadows dissipate, illusion is seen through and consciousness remains.

Running away LOWERS your consciousness.

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Spiral Wizard said:

Chasing higher and higher levels of consciousness is running away from pain. It’s clinging, resistance & suffering.

This has nothing to do with it.

Do not muddle Consciousness with human crap. It's you who is clinging to your humanity and using that to corrupt pure Consciousness.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

On 9/23/2023 at 1:39 PM, vibv said:

By not choosing otherwise. Yes, it’s all deliberate choosing. How can you guarantee that you’ll always choose up? Well, that problem doesn’t exist. You just don’t trust yourself enough yet.

Absolute consciousness, doesn't discriminate. It sees being tortured in a prision in Madagascar exactly as same as being born in a rich family in finland. That's how God sees it. 

There is nothing to choose when you have the power to choose. All is love. So the only thing that is left to do in merely exploring all possibilities, forgetting and remembering, over and over again and again forever. 

There is no choosing something because you don't like it. 

Just sit and look at something. Look at a wall or cat or a screen or whatever in front of you. 

Now realise that this is what you are going to do for freking eternity. Like literally with no breaks for eternity over and over again. And again. Then you do it again.

Some of those dreams could be nightmares and others could be pleasent. 

On 9/23/2023 at 1:35 PM, Leo Gura said:

Right. But also a dog doesn't mind

But I can't stop minding. I guess I should live this life to the max before I imagine some shithole nightmare for 80 years. 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

But I can't stop minding.

But you will die. So all is good.

Make a habit of not worrying about things you cannot change.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Leo Gura

[vibv]

@Bobby_2021 It's true that all is equally perfect. God doesn't move from imperfection to perfection, it moves from perfection to perfection.

This perfection is furthermore far more profound than you realize right now. It has a structure, a harmony, it's like an orchestra playing the greatest symphony ever invented. Every dissonance is exactly as it should be and constitutes Beauty. You can take nothing away and you can't add anything to it.

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I guess I should live this life to the max before I imagine some shithole nightmare for 80 years. 

Even that would be equally perfect  But it's not random! That's also part of the perfection. A symphony isn't random noises, its structure is equally important to the whole as its content, there's actually no difference.

The only reason you may feel otherwise is because your understanding hasn't penetrated into Perfection, Beauty & Love enough yet. But even that is part of Perfection.

Edited September 24, 2023 by vibv

[vibv]

Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you

Every single day
And every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you

Oh, can't you see
You belong to me?
How my poor heart aches
With every step you take?

[SOUL]

20 hours ago, Osaid said:

It is wild. Big cognitive dissonance.

I think it happens from taking too many psychedelics. At some point he genuinely convinced himself that there is "more beyond the Absolute" and he just phrases it as "higher consciousness."

People trust that their perception is the truth, it's a natural mental process. If they were to have the state of mind that constantly doubts their perception they wouldn't be able to function in life.

So I'm not going to criticize someone for believing their own perception is the truth, although I find it interesting how vehemently some will deny others perception.

Especially with people who claim to be some sort of spiritually 'awake', one would think they are more aware of the potential diversity of perception, even while trusting their own perception.