About the last Insight post and general critique of Leo

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I hope they were just that. I don't know what the highest Awakenings are like but I've definetely had a glimpse of solipsism that I cannot unsee.

I really still don't know how to interact with others from now on. I've never had an awakening that impacted so much my everyday human life. How can I relate with others now? What others... This is the loop, I'm absolutely trapped in myself.

I see where you're coming from. Been there done that.

You will have to see it for yourself, but let me give you a hint: 

1. It is much better than you think and if it seems terrible then you're mislead

2. Others exist, but not as separate entities from you. What you do to them you do to yourself. This insight will in fact make you feel MORE connected to everyone and not less. But you have to get through that valley to the other side. That's why solipsism is so dangerous when it's not fully integrated. It can lead to a huge surge in suffering and ego, but that's based on falsehood

3. Until then Just act as if though everyone would exist separately. Fake it till you make it.. to the other side

Fully integrated it leads to true acts of selfless love.

That can also be the gateway (it was in my case): Find that one person in your life that you love unconditionally. Feel deeply into your connection to that person until it feels absolutely real. Until you can see the aliveness and beauty in that person. That beauty is potentially able to break through your current illusion. That could be your exercise from now on, if you'd like.

Another exercise: Go into the darkness and ugliness and look at it from a position of utmost wakefulness, but don't let it disturb you into looking away, until you penetrate it with your consciousness and see through it.

[Razard86]

21 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Us being less or more aware, 'awake' or conscious, whichever the word one prefers to use, at different moments in different states is a relative condition about the degree of awareness in us...not consciousness having conditional degrees.

What you suggest is that there are parts of reality that are less or more consciousness than others, which cannot possibly be if everything, all of reality, is consciousness. It's absolute infinite. Any perception of consciousness in degrees is just our awareness of it, not consciousness being it.

The relative is an illusion, it appears in degrees and states of conditions. Which doesn't mean it isn't 'real', its reality is illusory, it does not appear as it really is. Consciousness appearing in degrees is an illusion of one's relative conditional conscious state within the 'dream'.

This is so obvious it's hard to see how you of all people dare to deny it. I guess one can confuse or conflate that conscious and consciousness as being exactly the same, materialists do and even the dictionary meaning pretty much does. So it's understandable.

 

If you don't take that phrase I just bolded out of your vocabulary....then you will never realize that you are paradigm locked. All bias is delusion...that right there is a bias....

[Yimpa]

23 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I never tell myself I have reached the end.

[Yimpa]

4 hours ago, vibv said:

As has been said numerous times, if solipsism makes you depressed, you didn't grasp it completely. It's actually the most beautiful thing ever.

Right.

If your significant others lips don’t reveal LOVE, then you’re still deeply asleep.

[SOUL]

@Razard86  Believe what whatever you want but it's only in your imagination. Reality doesn't change because of your perception of it.

You delude yourself if you think a few words creates an 'aha gotcha' for you...haha

Edited September 23, 2023 by SOUL

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

@Yimpa Thank you.

Gonna do an intense reflection all day about what am I and what is other. I hope also to gain clarity for my human interactions. Le't see if AL-LAD gives me some extra clarity for this matter.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@rompiendoelmuro

In you reflection you could try to understand why knowing what others are and what you are is important. who wants to know? What does it mean to know something? What is the difference if the others are real or not? Who is this important to? The answer is simple: it is important for the conceptual framework created that you cannot get rid of. let it go, and that's it, reality remains. 

the moment you think: yes, ok, that's very nice, but then, the others are...that's it, you're back inside. in the conceptual mind. If you want to see what others are, it's easy, meet a person and talk to them, that's what others are, reality flowing. you can only be. think about it, and you're out

[Razard86]

19 minutes ago, SOUL said:

@Razard86  Believe what whatever you want but it's only in your imagination. Reality doesn't change because of your perception of it.

You delude yourself if you think a few words creates an 'aha gotcha' for you...haha

There is ONLY IMAGINATION!!! IMAGINATION IS ABSOLUTE!!! That's it!!! LOL. You are so paradigm locked!!!

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, SOUL said:

What you suggest is that there are parts of reality that are less or more consciousness than others, which cannot possibly be if everything, all of reality, is consciousness. It's absolute infinite. Any perception of consciousness in degrees is just our awareness of it, not consciousness being it.

Its difficult to say , but I'd say that you as a human are a pattern of existence, a form in reality, or consciousness or whatever you want to name it. Each pattern of reality represents a blockage of the level of consciousness, a limitation, since if it were not so it could not be organized in a certain pattern. The human pattern has a range of opening possibilities. from closed degrees, I don't know, Attila the Hun, to more open degrees, Ramana Maharshi, etc. So, if you can increase your consciousness by reconfiguring the pattern that you are to open yourself more to reality

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

There is ONLY IMAGINATION!!! IMAGINATION IS ABSOLUTE!!! That's it!!!

If imagination is absolute, why you call it "imagination"

[vibv]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If imagination is absolute, why you call it "imagination"

Because it imagines everything lol

The error is discarding the imagination as "just a dream".

[Osaid]

2 hours ago, SOUL said:

This is so obvious it's hard to see how you of all people dare to deny it.

It is wild. Big cognitive dissonance.

I think it happens from taking too many psychedelics. At some point he genuinely convinced himself that there is "more beyond the Absolute" and he just phrases it as "higher consciousness."

Edited September 23, 2023 by Osaid

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Osaid said:

It is wild. Big cognitive dissonance.

I think it happens from taking too many psychedelics. At some point he genuinely convinced himself that there is "more beyond the Absolute" and he just phrases it as "higher consciousness."

That's strawmanning. It's not about there being something above the Absolute. The Absolute is something totally different than you think.

It's about becoming CONSCIOUS of the Absolute. That's not a binary insight that you just get some afternoon.

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I believe that the change of consciousness begins by forgetting the idea of God and any other idea.

Notice how God doesn’t care about prerequisites. Yet you do.

*and now, a message from God*

As one example, it’s possible to have deep awakenings into the nature of Self without ever taking 5-MeO specifically. (Notice how even this is a bias that can be created and maintained.)

So how would I even know this if I’ve personally never tried 5-MeO ever in my life?

Because GOD is that intelligent and doesn’t need anything outside of itself to be itself. GOD is inside and outside and beyond and within.

Oh yeah, baby! Let’s keep going!! ...

… The scientist wants proof? God will give them a poof.

… The enlightened master wants to dilute the Truth? God is TRUTH without the spiritual booze.

—

Another way to look at it is God tricks itself into forgetting what God is. It’s like an infinite game of hide-and-seek, and the only one playing YOU is YOU!

However, this notion can easily turn into a lie-in, in which you start clamoring on-and-on (even in a “peaceful” or “silent” facade) about how you’ve discover something other than yourself. And how your POV must always be above GOD.

This is where majority of truth seekers run into deep, deep trenches. They’ve mistaken their trenches for truth! And to make matters worse, they’ll never run out of excuses and proclamations for why their POV is simply the case, and how Infinite Reality could not be any other way.

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, vibv said:

Because it imagines everything lol

It means that there is a subject doing something with a result. I'm not sure if it is a good description. 

[vibv]

7 minutes ago, vibv said:

It's about becoming CONSCIOUS of the Absolute. That's not a binary insight that you just get some afternoon.

Except that it is just that. But then there's more. It's not really conveyable per words because words are a part of what you try to explain as is everything else.

Ok let me try it this way:

THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE. THE END.

But now YOU AS THE ABSOLUTE are in the process of BECOMING. There's agency involved.

This becoming happens in a perfect way, but it's not at all known how exactly it will unfold. Only that it will eventually.

This is the Absolute reminding itself that IT IS NOT YET FINISHED.

Both statements (there is nothing but the ever-perfect unchanging Absolute; the Absolute is in the process of Becoming)  are true at the same time and this transcends human logic. The error that's being done is discarding one side of the coin (the Becoming) and only accepting the other side (the unchanging Absolute). That's where you get stuck.

[Osaid]

16 minutes ago, vibv said:

It's not about there being something above the Absolute.

This is exactly what it is, but somehow you guys have reasoned to yourselves that this isn't what you're doing.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, SOUL said:

What you suggest is that there are parts of reality that are less or more consciousness than others, which cannot possibly be if everything, all of reality, is consciousness. It's absolute infinite. Any perception of consciousness in degrees is just our awareness of it, not consciousness being it.

YOU are reality and you are conscious to various degrees.

Everything is consciousness but not equally conscious.

Awakening requires more consciousness than non-Awakening. Otherwise there would be no point to spiritual practice.

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The relative is an illusion, it appears in degrees and states of conditions. Which doesn't mean it isn't 'real', its reality is illusory, it does not appear as it really is. Consciousness appearing in degrees is an illusion of one's relative conditional conscious state within the 'dream'.

Just no.

Consciousness is exactly like a light bulb. It shines in many degrees of brightness. All light is light, but not all light is equally bright.

If you believe you are at max brightness you have lost yo mind.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

YOU are reality and you are conscious to various degrees.

Everything is consciousness but not equally conscious.

Awakening requires more consciousness than non-Awakening. Otherwise there would be no point to spiritual practice.

Just no.

I'm tired of explaining this.

If you believe you are maximally conscious you have lost your mind.

No one believes you are maximally consciousness but that rather there are divine states of consciousness.    There are such divine states of consciousness that you will never reach these states with psychedelics and you will only reach them naturally, spiked by meditation.  Psychedelics will never give you the divine states of consciousness I am speaking of and you will never get them with your genetic makeup. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by Inliytened1

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

.. that you will never reach these states with psychedelics and you will only reach them naturally, spiked by meditation.  

Says who? How is that not just a belief?

Edited September 23, 2023 by vibv

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No one believes you are maximally consciousness

Many claim that consciousness has no degrees. So they certainly believe they are maxed out.

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but that rather there are divine states of consciousness.

I fully agree.

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There are such divine states of consciousness that you will never reach these states with psychedelics and you will only reach them naturally, spiked by meditation.  Psychedelics will never give you the divine states of consciousness I am speaking of and you will never get them with your genetic makeup. 

I would say the inverse to you, but we've already had this debate elsewhere. Let's not do it again here.

Believe what you will.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Leo Gura