About the last Insight post and general critique of Leo

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, zurew said:

If your ultimate goal here is to show how my answer will come to the same epistemic problems that I wrote about above, then sure we can skip ahead, because I agree .

But I acknowledge these epistemic problems hence why I would suggest that it is more reasonable to have some epistemic humility compared to 100% absolute  confidence in a claim.

Sure you can further question it by asking , but why do you care about how reasonable or unreasonable it is? But at that point I can literally create any system or worldview whatsoever and you conceding your ability to reject them on any ground - hence an infinite number of worldviews will stay on the table to choose from.

The point you accept circular reasoning is the point where I can create an infinite number of other worldviews and use  the  same logic that you use to defend them.

Fundamentalists use the same kind of logic that you use to preserve and to arrive their own conclusions.  "doubt on this fundamental point is a self-deception, therefore my worldview is true "

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Seems like you are suggesting that questioning and logic is too limited , but in that case - why do you talk about epistemology and about questioning things?

 

1) Questioning is not limited. Questioning is fundamental and great. The issue is that all those other people are not seriously questioning neither reality nor their own worldview.

2) The issue of existence is too fundamental for epistemology, it's actually metaphysical. Your existence is an absolute. And of course that's because you are God.

3) Exactly! An infinite number of worldviews and dreams are possible. However, Consciousness/Awakening is not a worldview.

4) Nothing is limiting you from defending your own imagined worldviews other than your own tolerance for mental gymnastics.

5) Why are you confusing Consciousness with worldviews? You should be beyond such silliness.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

What about physical death ?

You get shot, what happens ?

I become INFINITY, turn into a dragon, and stalk your children in their dreams.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

What about physical death ?

You get shot, what happens ? 

Unlike ego death you won't come back the same

I don't even understand why you still do 

You construct the identity of *same*....what is *same*?

According to science your changing every moment...a ridiculous number of cells are dying and being replaced, your brain is creating new neurological pathways, your skin is shedding, nails are growing, your body is producing chemicals that is breaking certain things down, and converting other stuff.

So what is same? Notice for you to construct the identity of same...you have to IGNORE a BUNCH of things.

Which perspective....is the TRUE one...

[Majed]

@Leo Gura  can you answer my question in the dating, sexuality section please

[Loveeee]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I become INFINITY, turn into a dragon, and stalk your children in their dreams.

 

[zurew]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

5) Why are you confusing Consciousness with worldviews? You should be beyond such silliness.

Because its avoiding the hard problem with epistemology and begs the question.

To me an answer to the question of "How do you know/how can you know about the nature of reality" seems to be necessary, to answer the question of "What is the nature of reality".

Starting with 'What is the nature of reality'   entails the assumption that you know what process/method to use to answer the question.

 

The notion of claiming that 'this x thing is beyond worldviews' is just begging the question and  makes it so that you can avoid giving an answer 'how do you know that this x thing is beyond worldviews'.

 

You can replace your question with "Why are you confusing x with worldviews?" and create examples like

- Why are you confusing the christian religion with worldviews?

- Why are you confusing atheism with worldviews?

[Leo Gura]

@zurew Don't get me wrong. I do have a worldview on top of my consciousness. And that worldview does contain errors and biases of various kinds.

[Davino]

@Leo Gura

Thank you for answering questions so directly it has been a while since that happened

Does that mean that you will do your job and shoot a video on Sunday? I want my juicy and delicious insights

[Bobby_2021]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@zurew Don't get me wrong. I do have a worldview on top of my consciousness. And that worldview does contain errors and biases of various kinds.

Are you scared of losing your work?

Consciousness has an a mechanical forgetting and remembering function. 

What if you simply forget all this shit and imagine yourself to be a dog in a kennel in some secluded home in siberia?

 

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Are you scared of losing your work?

No, my work is irrelevant in the big picture.

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What if you simply forget all this shit and imagine yourself to be a dog in a kennel in some secluded home in siberia?

I will become more conscious than I was as a human, as I'm looking forward to it.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Greatnestwithin]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, my work is irrelvant in the big picture.

I will become more conscious than I was as a human, as I'm looking forward to it.

@Leo Gura does that implie a grand design? Being more conscious than a human?

[Hello from Russia]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, my work is irrelvant in the big picture.

Have you ever heard about ascended masters?

You can google it. The lore says it's basically people who've achieved enlightenment across many lifetimes and now they allegedely even more woke than ordinary enlightnment and they generally have some higher spiritual purpose on the Earth (which they try to achieve through many lifetimes)

[Francis777]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Higher consciousness is not an illusion.

At least not in the way you think.

is that because the second you become directly conscious of an illusion, it is no longer illusory, but the structure still remains

Edited September 22, 2023 by Francis777

[Francis777]

5 hours ago, zurew said:

epistemically speaking ,how can you make 100% sure that you are  not deluding yourself, without already assuming that your conclusion is true?

I don't think people realise that awakening is not provable outside of itself, but that once you have an awakening it is completely self proving and undeniable. The best way for you to understand this is simply to have as many awakenings as you can, it is a point that can not easily be conveyed, you need to have multiple awakenings to get this insight and go past this notion of something not being true simply because it is not provable.

The key is developing the your consciousness enough to the point where you can distinguish between and real awakening and deception. Or more so just having enough to where you cant deceive yourself anymore between the two

Edited September 22, 2023 by Francis777

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

is that because the second you become directly conscious of an illusion, it is no longer an illusory, but the structure still remains

Consciousness dreams stuff up. But the fact that consciousness dreams stuff up is not itself a dream! It's Absolute Truth. So it's only an illusion as long as you get fooled by it.

If you see a hologram and recognize it as a hologram rather than a rock, then it hasn't fooled you and you recognize its nature correctly. But most people take the hologram for a rock, in which case they have fallen for an illusion.

It is NOT an illusion that Consciousness comes in lower and higher degrees.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Francis777]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness dreams stuff up. But the fact that consciousness dreams stuff up is not itself a dream! It's Absolute Truth. So it's only an illusion as long as you get fooled by it.

If you see a hologram and recognize it as a hologram rather than a rock, then it hasn't fooled you and you recognize its nature correctly. But most people take the hologram for a rock, in which case they have fallen for an illusion.

yeah so the structure is absolute truth, mistaking content for structure is falling for the illusion

 

But just because you no longer fall for the illusion, does not mean that your no longer dreaming everything up.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Francis777

[vibv]

@zurew How can you prove that you exist (or something at least)? You don't have to because it's obvious. Now assume that there could be more things than your mere existence which you can become directly conscious of in the same way. It's like taking notice of something that's just obvious. You don't have to prove it because you just see.

Edited September 22, 2023 by vibv

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

But just because you no longer fall for the illusion, does not mean that your no longer dreaming everything up

There is no alternative to dreaming. God is an Infinite Dream. Ocassionally God opens one eye, and then goes right back to dreaming because there's no other game in town.

If God is an ocean, Awakenings are like the highest waves on the surface.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Francis777]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

There is no alternative to dreaming. God is an Infinite Dream.

that's what I'm saying, that just because your no longer illused does not mean that everything is not still a dream

[Francis777]

9 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

But just because you no longer fall for the illusion, does not mean that your no longer dreaming everything up.

*does not mean that you are no longer still dreaming everything up