About the last Insight post and general critique of Leo

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, zurew said:

For example that reality is a dream.

Haha!

Have you not realized this yet?

[zurew]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha!

Have you not realized this yet?

Sounds like a 100.

So the next question is this:

epistemically speaking ,how can you make 100% sure that you are  not deluding yourself, without already assuming that your conclusion is true?

Edited September 22, 2023 by zurew

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, zurew said:

Sounds like a 100.

So the next question is this:

epistemically speaking ,how can you make 100% sure that you are  not deluding yourself, without already assuming that your conclusion is true?

Awakening.

There's no way around Awakening.

Awakening is more fundamental than all your epistemology.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

@Leo Gura Can you tell us about your latest awakenings, what you're up to

[zurew]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening

Sounds epistemically just as self referential and circular as any other explanation for any other worldview.

Thats not to say that its not true, but epistemically it has the same fundamental problems as any other worldview.

 

I think you would have to concede the notion that 'its reasonable to be 100% confident'. Saying "Im the most confident in this kind of metaphysics , because this makes the most sense to me for these x reasons" is different from claiming "im 100% sure that Im not wrong".

 

Sure it will come down less badass and attractive to others, but it will come down much more reasonable.

Edited September 22, 2023 by zurew

[Osaid]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness is all there is. And Consciousness can fully comprehend itself. This self-comprehension is Absolute. In other words, you gain absolute clarity into what everything is.

Does this mean that it is possible someday that you fully understand yourself? And you'll just be "done"?

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

While there are many degrees and kind of higher consciousness, perhaps it is endless, it does not take that much consciousness to realize that you are God/Infinity.

What is the difference between realizing that you are God/Infinity and realizing that you are an alien squirrel entity? Are they actually different realizations somehow? And why does the former take "less consciousness"?

Edited September 22, 2023 by Osaid

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

Sounds epistemically just as self referential and circular as any other explanation for any other worldview.

Thats not to say that its not true, but epistemically it has the same fundamental problems as any other worldview.

 

I think you would have to concede the notion that 'its reasonable to be 100% confident'. Saying "Im the most confident in this kind of metaphysics , because this makes the most sense to me for these x reasons" is different from claiming "im 100% sure that Im not wrong".

 

Sure it will come down less badass and attractive to others, but it will come down much more reasonable.

On a 1-100 scale how confident are you that you exist ?

[gettoefl]

12 minutes ago, zurew said:

Sounds epistemically just as self referential and circular as any other explanation for any other worldview.

Thats not to say that its not true, but epistemically it has the same fundamental problems as any other worldview.

 

I think you would have to concede the notion that 'its reasonable to be 100% confident'. Saying "Im the most confident in this kind of metaphysics , because this makes the most sense to me for these x reasons" is different from claiming "im 100% sure that Im not wrong".

 

Sure it will come down less badass and attractive to others, but it will come down much more reasonable.

spirituality is subjective, something is true for me but i have no idea about you and in fact care less

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, zurew said:

Sounds epistemically just as self referential and circular as any other explanation for any other worldview.

That's not a mistake, that's a necessity. 

God's existence must be a tautology. That's what makes God Absolute. It is self-contained and self-defined. It is SELF.

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Thats not to say that its not true, but epistemically it has the same fundamental problems as any other worldview.

It sure seems that way from an outsider's perspective. But the outsider is dreaming. And doesn't know it.

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I think you would have to concede the notion that 'its reasonable to be 100n% confident'. Saying "Im the most confident in this kind of metaphysics , because this makes the most sense to me for these x reasons" is different from claiming "im 100% sure that Im not wrong".

Sure it will come down less badass and attractive to others, but it will come down much more reasonable.

No. I am absolutely sure that I am God and the world is my dream. That's Awakening. 

Humility or doubt on this point is a self-deception. God does not need to bullshit itself about itself.

19 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Does this mean that it is possible someday that you fully understand yourself? And you'll just be "done"?

I don't expect to fully understand myself in the fine detail.

And the big picture I already understand.

But there are still details which I want to understand better, and will.

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What is the difference between realizing that you are God/Infinity and realizing that you are an alien squirrel entity? Are they actually different realizations somehow? And why does the former take "less consciousness"?

You can realize you are God, but then you start wondering what more there is to Consciousness, what other tricks it has up its sleeve, and then you break through into even higher domains of God-Consciousness beyond the standard human. You never cease being God, but you discover what I would call hyper domains of God-Consciousness which can feel very alien and exotic.

For example, one time I became a cartoon wolf. That doesn't mean I stopped being God. But God as a cartoon wolf is radically beyond God as a human. A human doesn't even understand that cartoon wolf consciousness exists. As God you can explore various strange kinds of God-consciousness beyond the standard human. And thia gives you deeper insight into what Consciousness really entails.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Osaid said:

What is the difference between realizing that you are God/Infinity and realizing that you are an alien squirrel entity? Are they actually different realizations somehow? And why does the former take "less consciousness"?

I guess that the first is about the nature of the reality, and the second about the structure of the reality. Why reject one of them when both can be realized?

[Loveeee]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But there are still details which I want to understand better, and will.

Like what ? 

[gettoefl]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

 

 

No. I am absolutely sure that I am God and the world is my dream. That's Awakening. 

Humility on this point is a self-deception.

your signature begs to differ ... so which one are you absolutely sure of or is it both and is that another awakening

my understanding is both but i am still awakening

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I guess that the first is about the nature of the reality, and the second about the structure of the reality. Why reject one of them when both can be realized?

one is realised one is playing playdoh

[Leo Gura]

17 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Like what ? 

Many things remain opaque, like for example, how to reconcile God with relative scientific truths, the nature of time, the nature of mathematics, the nature of memory, the nature of evolution, issues of cosmology like the Big Bang, etc.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Bufo Alvarius]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

For example, one time I became a cartoon wolf. 

This Russian cartoon wolf, that you posted once on the blog?

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you desire it then God desires it. And if you don't then God does not.

What's possible is an insanely deep comprehension of God and how it dreams up reality.

Of course. I never tell myself I have reached the end.

I am comprehension is too powerful. It's abstraction because it can hide a lot of details.

For example you can simply ask me to buy 100 fruits instead of asking me to buy 5 Oranges, 25 apples, 60 mangoes etc...

"Fruit" is the comprehension that abstracts away the underlying details about the specific fruits.

Likewise, Love is the underlying abstraction of the universe.

In that sense absolute comprehension is possible at all levels for consciousness. If you can comprehend love, you comprehend the universe and everything and anything possible.

With that said, True comprehension should also encompasses more underlying abstractions like, Truth, Honesty, Understanding etc.

All of them are fundamentally Love or Truth.

Just saying.... 

[Scholar]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not a mistake, that's a necessity. 

God's existence must be a tautology. That's what makes God Absolute. It is self-contained and self-defined. It is SELF.

It sure seems that way from an outsider's perspective. But the outsider is dreaming. And doesn't know it.

No. I am absolutely sure that I am God and the world is my dream. That's Awakening. 

Humility or doubt on this point is a self-deception. God does not need to bullshit itself about itself.

I don't expect to fully understand myself in the fine detail.

And the big picture I already understand.

But there are still details which I want to understand better, and will.

You can realize you are God, but then you start wondering what more there is to Consciousness, what other tricks it has up its sleeve, and then you break through into even higher domains of God-Consciousness beyond the standard human. You never cease being God, but you discover what I would call hyper domains of God-Consciousness which can feel very alien and exotic.

For example, one time I became a cartoon wolf. That doesn't mean I stopped being God. But God as a cartoon wolf is radically beyond God as a human. A human doesn't even understand that cartoon wolf consciousness exists. As God you can explore various strange kinds of God-consciousness beyond the standard human. And thia gives you deeper insight into what Consciousness really entails.

The issue with this type of thinking, that the cartoon wolf is not simply something occuring in the brain, is that we simply do not observe new information arising as the result of trips. It becomes hard to believe in the convenient excuse that it's all just set up so you can never prove the truth.

 

I think it is likely that one day they will be able to precisely show what kind of brain activity is the cartoon wolf, and they will be able to manipulate you and convince you of that so that you will be 100% certain and convinced that it is somehow beyond the brain, even though we will be able to showcase on a monitor the precise hallucination that are occuring and how the neurological activity relates to the phenomena.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Scholar

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

This Russian cartoon wolf, that you posted once on the blog?

Maybe 

Edited September 22, 2023 by Leo Gura

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

On a 1-100 scale how confident are you that you exist ?

If your ultimate goal here is to show how my answer will come to the same epistemic problems that I wrote about above, then sure we can skip ahead, because I agree .

But I acknowledge these epistemic problems hence why I would suggest that it is more reasonable to have some epistemic humility compared to 100% absolute  confidence in a claim.

Sure you can further question it by asking , but why do you care about how reasonable or unreasonable it is? But at that point I can literally create any system or worldview whatsoever and you conceding your ability to reject them on any ground - hence an infinite number of worldviews will stay on the table to choose from.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not a mistake, that's a necessity. 

God's existence must be a tautology.

The point you accept circular reasoning is the point where I can create an infinite number of other worldviews and use  the  same logic that you use to defend them.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No. I am absolutely sure that I am God and the world is my dream. That's Awakening. 

Humility or doubt on this point is a self-deception. God does not need to bullshit itself about itself.

Fundamentalists use the same kind of logic that you use to preserve and to arrive their own conclusions.  "doubt on this fundamental point is a self-deception, therefore my worldview is true "

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Seems like you are suggesting that questioning and logic is too limited , but in that case - why do you talk about epistemology and about questioning things?

 

[Loveeee]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Many things remain opaque, like for example, how to reconcile God with relative scientific truths, the nature of time, the nature of mathematics, the mature of memory, the nature of evolution, issues of cosmology like the Big Bang, etc.

What about physical death ?

You get shot, what happens ? 

Unlike ego death you won't come back the same

I don't even understand why you still do