Lower IQ is associated with high music consumption

[Epikur]

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Our findings indicate that less intelligent individuals make a higher use of music for experiencing strong sensations than more intelligent ones.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0276237420951414

[Buck Edwards]

I guess Beethoven was low IQ then.

They pull this research out of their ass. Seriously. 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Buck Edwards

[itsadistraction]

8 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I guess Beethoven was low IQ then.

They pull this research out of their ass. Seriously. 

 

Lol

[Epikur]

26 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I guess Beethoven was low IQ then.

They pull this research out of their ass. Seriously. 

 

I don't agree. Creating music and listening to music are different things. I was kind of addicted to music. It was partly a coping strategy to deal with reality. I always knew my IQ went down but it felt good. It was a like a drug.
Now I have less stress and have my life relative in order.Now I try to get rid of bad habbits. So I listen to music far less this makes me able to think deeper.

[at_anchor]

@Epikur Interesting idea. Thanks for sharing! No wonder my IQ is so low when I listened to lots of music all my childhood and early adulthood, all day, every day. Mindless emotional music that made me daydream a lot. Music could almost never get boring, while porn I used to watch didn't take as much time to stop. 

I'll most likely read the article tomorrow and comment on it.

Edited September 20, 2023 by at_anchor

[LSD-Rumi]

Low IQ is associated with seeking dopamine more, so yeah. Eat a couple of cheesburgers, drink a  beer,  shag a prostitue, listen to heavy metal, vote for trump!

Edited September 20, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[at_anchor]

57 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

Low IQ is associated with seeking dopamine more, so yeah. Eat a couple of cheesburgers, drink a  beer,  shag a prostitue, listen to heavy metal, vote for trump!

Mmmm, I'd go with cheesburgers and music for my dopamine hit and exclude everything else you mentioned. It isn't that simple, cause in a better environment, cheesburgers would not even cross my mind. Loneliness leads to addiction I guess. Take a nice vacation on a beach and see what I mean by environment having a huge impact on your habits. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

“If I were not a physicist, I would probably be a musician. I often think in music. I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.”

― Albert Einstein

[Rigel]

3 hours ago, Epikur said:

I don't agree. Creating music and listening to music are different things. I was kind of addicted to music. It was partly a coping strategy to deal with reality. I always knew my IQ went down but it felt good. It was a like a drug.
Now I have less stress and have my life relative in order.Now I try to get rid of bad habbits. So I listen to music far less this makes me able to think deeper.

Creating and listening are very close to each other. Assuming you are actually listening with full awareness. 
Jazz cats only play what their ear is feeding them internally. They play back the stuff they hear inside their mind on their instrument. They are listening to their own music as they play.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Rigel

[Epikur]

41 minutes ago, Rigel said:

Creating and listening are very close to each other. Assuming you are actually listening with full awareness. 
Jazz cats only play what their ear is feeding them internally. They play back the stuff they hear inside their mind on their instrument. They are listening to their own music as they play.

Don't assume I make it in full awareness. Very few people can do that. It is like getting drunk with full awareness.

[Epikur]

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

“If I were not a physicist, I would probably be a musician. I often think in music. I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.”

― Albert Einstein

We are not Einstein. I am shure he might compose great music. Many of us just cope with reality. So music becomes an addiction we can't stop.
 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Epikur

[Rigel]

1 hour ago, Epikur said:

Don't assume I make it in full awareness. Very few people can do that. It is like getting drunk with full awareness.

Well then isn’t your problem lack of awareness and not music?

[at_anchor]

What about listening to songs, learning lyrics and singing at the same time? That could be a flow activity from which you'll get tired soon enough to stop listening to that boring song you are trying to master.

[Epikur]

15 minutes ago, Rigel said:

Well then isn’t your problem lack of awareness and not music?

So sounds like if you get tortured that is not the problem but that you are not aware while being tortured is the problem?

[Rigel]

5 minutes ago, Epikur said:

So sounds like if you get tortured that is not the problem but that you are not aware while being tortured is the problem?

That’s a very nice straw man lol

[Epikur]

2 minutes ago, Rigel said:

That’s a very nice straw man lol

Yes awareness is a straw man. That is why it works. It is like saying bro you are god. lol.

[Jehovah increases]

Who comes up with this stuff?? One could listen to Trump speaking and your intelligence actually can drop. Don't worry about the music,

Edited September 20, 2023 by Jehovah increases

[Rigel]

Just now, Epikur said:

Yes awareness is a straw man. That is why it works. It is like saying bro you are god. lol.

No that’s not what I am saying. There is such a thing as listening with active and passive awareness. Why you would bring torture as an analogy to justify staying unconscious is beyond me.

[Epikur]

1 minute ago, Rigel said:

No that’s not what I am saying. There is such a thing as listening with active and passive awareness. Why you would bring torture as an analogy to justify staying unconscious is beyond me.

Yes active listening is very difficult like it is hard to stay happy while being tortured. Even my analogy is not perfect I wanted to emphasize that active listening is hard to do.

[Carl-Richard]

Your title is misleading. The musicians in the study actually had higher IQs on average than the non-musicians (119.49 IQ ± 7.84 vs. 116.69 IQ ± 7.85). The study specifically looks at "sensation seeking" in relationship to music.

This is how they define it:

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Sensation seeking is defined by the search for feelings and experiences considered novel, intense and varied and by the acceptance of potential risks in social, physical, legal and financial domains being necessary for reaching the pursued experience (Leary & Hoyle, 2009). It is measured by evaluating the individual differences in terms of sensory stimulation preferences. A person is defined high sensation seeker when externalizes a great desire for sensations and requires a lot of stimulation to achieve the optimal level of arousal (Zuckerman & Marvin, 2009). A high sensation seeker can be more vulnerable to engage both in adaptive and mal-adaptive behaviors such as gambling or substance abuse (Puente et al., 2008). Moreover, the sensation seeking trait can be also attributed to extrovert and impulsive individuals. Indeed, Eysenck (1990) incorporated sensation seeking as a primary trait inherit to extraversion.

So, assuming that their questionnaire accurately reflects how they define sensation seeking above, it would be more accurate to say that extroverted people who like to go to loud concerts while probably getting drunk and meeting a lot of people is what has been shown to correlate with lower IQ. It's not "high music consumption" that correlates with lower IQ.

Based on my personal experience, I do feel that if I've played guitar intensely for a while, sometimes I'll be unable to think clearly for 5-10 minutes afterwards. But the way I generally engage with music is still vastly different from what has been described above, as well as in the questionnaire itself. I wouldn't describe my relationship to music as "music has offered me magnificent experiences; I want to feel the music in my whole body; I want to listen to music that evokes feelings in me". I would describe it as connecting deeply with something beautiful or interesting. And according to the study, this would make sense, as I'm an extreme introvert.

So yeah, next time, maybe actually read the study you're referencing and you'll maybe end up not looking like somebody with a low IQ  

Edited September 20, 2023 by Carl-Richard