Russell Brand is being accused of rape

[Butters]

Oh and if you think this is big, this is nothing. There's still meetoos coming that are WAY bigger than Brand, you wouldn't believe. In that sense @Bobby_2021 is onto something.

Just my humble opinion of course. 

[Danioover9000]

@Butters

1 hour ago, Butters said:

Oh and if you think this is big, this is nothing. There's still meetoos coming that are WAY bigger than Brand, you wouldn't believe. In that sense @Bobby_2021 is onto something.

Just my humble opinion of course. 

   the me too movement is a good movement.

[Danioover9000]

@Butters

2 hours ago, Butters said:

I just got around watching some of the videos. You're actually quite right and I understand what you're saying. However keep in mind that his entire world has just collapsed, HIS ENTRIE WORLD. THE END. DEATH! Of course he doubles down on his (zen) devilry, that's how egos respond. 

Look at the fear in his last video, he seems totally beaten down

All your worth being attached to your image, it's just one of many reasons the entertainment business is so nasty. The power games and abuse are others, so here we see different sides of the same dirty coin. And that business attracts disturbed individuals, nothing new under the sun. 

If he stays off the internet for a few years he could make serious spiritual growth and admit his wrongdoings. 

Is anyone actually taking him to court? 

   He got beaten down because he knows deep down he is guilty, and kharma is oncoming.

[Alex M]

3 hours ago, Tanz said:

Most journalist that even dislike him have mostly agreed that youtubes and the BBC treatment of him is excessive for someone that hasn't even been charged of the crime let alone convicted.  

How is the BBCs treatment excessive? Just from reporting on the story? Or something else?

[Seed]

1 hour ago, Alex M said:

How is the BBCs treatment excessive? Just from reporting on the story? Or something else?

I think the public lynching pre trial or conviction is unfair.

 

Also the fact he was pushing boundaries alongside the entire noughties culture at this point. It was the ‘norm’ and very much an  era where this behavior  was encouraged and enabled… by both men and women. 

 

He’s been well and truly scapegoated. I’m not saying he’s innocent but the way he’s being treated PRE conviction is despicable. 
 

He’s given a lot and touched many lives and ultimately believe he’s a good human but took a while to find his way. However he must pay the fair punishment for his crimes IF they were committed

Edited September 24, 2023 by Seed

[Nemra]

A typical spiritual person: delusional and justifying their behavior all the time.

[Danioover9000]

@Understander

13 minutes ago, Understander said:

A typical spiritual person: delusional and justifying their behavior all the time.

   That's a bit over simplified, and bad faith and uncharitable. Not every typical spiritual person is like Russel Brand.

   For example, @Leo Gura is a typical spiritual person, yet has a lot of critical thinking, independent thoughts, and doesn't justify delusions that much.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

For example, @Leo Gura is a typical spiritual person

Don't insult me.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Butters

   He got beaten down because he knows deep down he is guilty, and kharma is oncoming.

So if he was innocent he would be totally calm and happy while his entire reputation and career gets destroyed? 
 

You all do not understand the slightest thing about how Justice works, this thread is a great example of how people willingly give up freedom to dictators and engage in hysterical witch trials and lynch mobs.

[Nemra]

@Danioover9000 Leo is not typical.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Understander

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't insult me.

   Sorry! You are special.

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

So if he was innocent he would be totally calm and happy while his entire reputation and career gets destroyed? 
 

You all do not understand the slightest thing about how Justice works, this thread is a great example of how people willingly give up freedom to dictators and engage in hysterical witch trials and lynch mobs.

   That presumes the conditions you set for a person being innocent, as 'totally calm' and 'happy' while his entire reputation and career gets destroyed is true. Is it true? Probably not true, which means Russel Brand, in your logic, is guilty.

   So, in your view, explain to us what justice is and how justice works? How is this thread an example of people willing to give up freedom to dictators and engage in hysterical witch hunts and lynch mobs? 

   

[Guest Tobia]

@Danioover9000 no, by his logic you don't convict someone of rape just by looking at his body language and being beaten down. That doesn't prove anything, one way or the other.

You are not a judge after a long trial, you don't know shit.

[Guest Tobia]

@Understander

44 minutes ago, Understander said:

A typical spiritual person: delusional and justifying their behavior all the time.

What is Russell justifying?

He openly admits that at some point he was sleeping with 80 women per month. He admits it was a pathetic and hedonistic behaviour.

As for the anonymous allegations, he has nothing to justify until there is evidence in a court. 

Until then, the allegations might be completely false

[Danioover9000]

@Tobia

24 minutes ago, Tobia said:

@Danioover9000 no, by his logic you don't convict someone of rape just by looking at his body language and being beaten down. That doesn't prove anything, one way or the other.

You are not a judge after a long trial, you don't know shit.

   Why are you assuming I'm not a judge and me not knowing 'shit'?

   How is, by his logic, you don't convict someone of of rape just by looking at his body language and beating beaten down? What are you assuming that doesn't prove anything, one way or the other, about the science of body language analysis?

   Are you mistaking my opinions from my body language analysis?  

[Danioover9000]

@Tobia

18 minutes ago, Tobia said:

@Understander

What is Russell justifying?

He openly admits that at some point he was sleeping with 80 women per month. He admits it was a pathetic and hedonistic behaviour.

As for the anonymous allegations, he has nothing to justify until there is evidence in a court. 

Until then, the allegations might be completely false

   What do you think Russel is justifying?

   Yes, he openly admitted at some point he slept with 80 women per month, and admits it was pathetic and hedonistic behavior.

   What do you mean he has nothing to justify for or against as for the anonymous allegations, by 4 women, until there's evidence in a court? Does one woman's account, from text messaging, to refusal for sex, to him forcing himself while high on drugs or alcohol, and her going to a medical clinic to do a rape kit test and take anti biotics, not considered hard evidence?

   Or, until then the allegations might be completely true? 

[Danioover9000]

@LSD-Rumi

Just now, LSD-Rumi said:

@Tobia

   You're quoting is empty.

[Leo Gura]

Here's the most interesting question:

Assuming none of these cases ever get taken to court because they fail to clear that high bar, and assuming these women aren't lying, how do they get justice? And how do they change the culture of toxic masculinity which Russell was exhibiting?

See? This issue isn't just about one bad man doing illegal things, it's about changing the culture to reduce abusive behavior.

And so, here we are. The real issue is that most sexual abuse does not clear the high bar of pure illegality. So how do we as a society handle that? It is not realistic to expect women to just ignore it.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Consept]

2 hours ago, Alex M said:

How is the BBCs treatment excessive? Just from reporting on the story? Or something else?

Not the BBC necessarily but youtube and the British government that requested his content be taken down, i think that is a bit excessive, im not sure its really their place to do that. Having said that the advertisers are more than free to not want their brands associated with (excuse the pun) Brand. So the result would most likely be the same as thats what happened with Rumble where brands wanted their advertising taken off his videos. 

30 minutes ago, Tobia said:

As for the anonymous allegations, he has nothing to justify until there is evidence in a court. 

Until then, the allegations might be completely false

I would say it is on him to either justify what happened and tell his story or completely deny them, then at least he has made a stand and he can go on and sue those that reported on these false claims. Im not even saying justify it from a moral standpoint im saying if he wants to redeem his reputation this would seem like the obvious course of action. By not really addressing it directly it would lead people to believe that there is truth to it. Like imagine someone accused you of rape and you just started talking about how everyone is out to get you and you never flat out deny or tell your story about it. At the very least people would think youre hiding something. 

Also he brings people down constantly without any evidence on his youtube channel and states they need to answer questions, so it is somewhat rich that he is not answering questions himself. 

[Raze]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Here's the most interesting question:

Assuming none of these cases ever get taken to court because they fail to clear that high bar, and assuming these women aren't lying, how do they get justice? And how do they change the culture of toxic masculinity which Russell was exhibiting?

See? This issue isn't just about one bad man doing illegal things, it's about changing the culture to reduce abusive behavior.

And so, here we are. The real issue is that most sexual abuse does not clear the high bar of pure illegality. So how do we as a society handle that? It is not realistic to expect women to just ignore it.

The solution is not to have an absurd standard that you can destroy someone based on allegations alone. We’ve already had multiple examples of innocent men being destroyed. That is the same logic that lead to witch trials and lynching.

If you want Justice you should go to the police and prove it, if you wait 20 years to bring it up that’s on you, it’s absurd to think we should just by default believe you and take someone out because anonymous people said unverifiable claims.

A culture or “toxic masculinity” is not a real thing, there just exists inappropriate behavior, ascribing it to be an inherent part of one’s “masculinity” is pointless and unprovable. What we are seeing is the far more dangerous effects of a feminized society that leads with emotions and doesn’t put emphasis on things like evidence, truth, and personal accountability, instead turning everything into a hysterical argument where all sides try to out virtue signal the other and insert their own political ideologies and cultural takes into it rather than just looking at the facts. Imagine if in a fact finding attempt in a court of law the lawyers started ranting about toxic masculinity and the patriarchy and how all of society needs to change, and accusing you of internalized misogyny if you disagree as proof of their argument for guilt in a specific case.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Raze