Ralston Gives A Clear Answer To Metaphysical Love Question

[Loveeee]

43 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

evolved in what way?  if its enlightenment - he is not.  I can assure you that.  He may know more about other stuff, but not about that.

Just open your mind to the possibility that psychedelics can raise your consciousness to degrees you can't 

Here at 9:00

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Loveeee

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

Just open your mind to the possibility that psychedelics can raise your consciousness to degrees you can't 

Here at 9:00

 

Just open your rmind to the possiblity that this isn't enlightenment.  Enlightnement is a natural awakening.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Loveeee said:

State = experience 

From Latin status ‘manner of standing, condition’ 

Being angry and being worried are different states at a similar degree

 

 

Thats not what i mean by states...i mean mystical states vs. normal human states.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

14 hours ago, Osaid said:

Good analogy, I will borrow it.

Music is sound under all circumstances. When you lower the volume, the higher volume literally stops existing, thus it is existentially not the case anymore, and not Truth. Although, it is simultaneously the case that all variations of music are sound, and the fact of it being sound encapsulates ALL variations of music. The music does not become more "sound" when you increase or decrease the volume. It's just an increase in volume. The fact of it being sound does not fluctuate at all. Either something is or isn't sound, it is binary. Sound is analagous to Truth/enlightenment here.

Brilliant. I am 100% going to steal that.

[Yimpa]

If you cannot see LOVE in MUSIC, then you are fucking blind!!!

[nhoktinvt]

music connects and love = connection 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

13 hours ago, Osaid said:

Again, this is a misconception spawned from enlightenment-inducing states being put on a pedestal.

You had a specific state which was not the baseline human state, and you perceive this as a "degree." That state allowed you to perceive experience more clearly. When you came back to baseline, that clarity vanished, and so you assume it was inherent to that state. I am saying that that exact same clarity is accessible from baseline and any experience in existence, and thus the phenomenon of "degrees" is a fallacious misinterpretation of reality and Truth. This entire notion of degrees is just very clearly dualism, and thus cannot be the case.

Exactly, very well said.

The fact that you get a different view of planet Earth when you travel to space does not mean that you somehow have more "clarity" when you're floating in space. It just means that going to space allows you to access a different perspective from the one that you usually have when your feet are touching the ground... but that doesn't somehow make it a better perspective.

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Yimpa]

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It just means that going to space allows you to access a different perspective from the one that you usually have when your feet are touching the ground... but that doesn't somehow make it a better perspective.

I think eating a meal cooked by Gordon Ramsay could definitely be a better experience than eating a McDonald’s meal 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Yimpa

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Osaid The biggest mistake you will ever make in your life is thinking you've outsmarted me on the nature of Consciousness.

And the biggest mistake that you have ever made is thinking that you've outsmarted all others.

It goes both ways, brother.

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Yimpa]

You can never outsmart an insanely talented woman. She will instantly show you how pathetically dumb you are!! And how lucky you are to have such a woman in your life!!!!

[gettoefl]

to coin some fine rene and the good bard-smith himself

to know more and to be more is to be no more

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Love takes care of everything. Love is the same as absolute awareness, pure intelligence, or the power of God. When you have enough love inside, there are truly no problems. Problems only arise when you believe you are separate, and lacking love. Robert Adams

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

Here people are quick to judge Leo as unenlightened and no one tries to understand a guy who a few years ago they thought was a genius. I see that many have very wrong ideas about what enlightenment is, and they are very attached to them. enlightenment is not knowing something or knowing that you are god. Friend, most of what you say that are parroting Leo without even realizing it. There is no such thing as enlightenment, there is the breaking of the bubble of conceptual mental flow that keeps us isolated, and once that bubble is broken, true perception begins, just normal existence without the human toxicity. Because normal existence is infinity flowing .

but here everyone, except for very few exceptions, is completely attached to the conceptual. and leo was one of them. but it seems that it has finally left the conceptual. It has taken him a lot because his mind is very structured, but at last it seems that he has achieved it. He calls it alien, dancing penises or whatever, it refers to direct vision, without a filter, to breaking with the human garbage that surrounds us. When he says that enlightenment is imaginary, he means that all this nonsense of I am God imagining reality is imaginary (all of this my interpretation, who knows) all the content of Leo is imaginary, mental flow, bubble of isolation. Nobody has the courage here to let go of all the grips and be groundless in infinity, everyone is hungry of knowledge, grips, security. That's greed, the opposite of awakening. Awakening is to let go everything, no mind, just let the cosmos in you dancing. 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It can be both.  Enlightenment is not concept, and it is not of the ego.  The ego dies and returns.  It is only still in memory because the Consciousness of the ego and the Consciousness of God are one.  The ego is God.  So enlightenment is one and it is final, and you can return and reflect on that.  

No , there is the conceptual bubble, the mental flow that isolate you, a human evolutive function, and you can break that bubble and open up to infinity. There is not an intermedium point. Or you are in the bubble, or out of the bubble.  

One day I did a psychedelic and at a certain point, I was out. the infinity flowing....shit....this is... incredible, freedom. Only 1 minute. It's terrifying, the mind needs grips,  it can't be like this, it's panicked, it needs to interpret. No friend, you have to give that up. Then I started doing psychedelics again and again with the sole purpose of getting out of the bubble, out of the prison. For some months I did psychedelics every day, 5meo DMT 3 times in a day, next day lsd, etc. It was imperative to get out of that bubble. the bubble is death, the opening is life. little by little I educated my mind to be able to be in the open field, without clinging to anything. It's like climbing without a rope, at first it's horrible, impossible, but you can educate yourself for it. Now I'm like this almost all the time. All that stuff about I'm God, I'm alone, I'm creating, etc., is a mental flow bubble. It is precisely the prison you want to get out of (if you really want to). Outside the prison there is no god, no loneliness, nor anything you can grab. This is reality being, naked existence. It is the flow without limit. You can only abandon yourself to it, and clarity begins to occur, since you are reality. but the clarity is now, you can't memorize it. Memory is the prison, false grip. So maybe Leo is acceding to some kind of clarity, but he can't explain it because he's too used to work from the conceptual mind. We will see. 

[Razard86]

Majority of these discussions are a waste of time if you are just here to push your assumptions.

1. The Spiritual Path is the path of honesty.

1. Admit what you know to be true, and what you don't. Investigate every freaking belief you hold about reality and what you think IT/YOU are capable of. Admit where your current level of Consciousness is, but open your mind up to other possibilities. Choose which possibility to investigate it and investigate it for yourself it is true.

2. Some where along this process you will attain a direct connection to Universal Consciousness. When this happens now you can truly start to investigate different things because that connection never drops. I repeat it never drops, but you can certainly delude yourself into thinking it drops by telling yourself that LIE and it becomes true. 

Microdosing can help, but again resolve biases and meditate while on those substances. Try different techniques, you can try chakra music, other types of frequency music, visualization exercises (be careful not to get caught in self-deception), or whatever else you can find that works for you.

Anything outside of pure honesty of what you know and don't know is just self-deception. Use this filter not just on yourself but on ANYBODY you read, or listen to. At some level everyone is operating within self-deception. Why? Because you have not dissolved yourself of all bias. As long as bias exists within you, you are still deceived. 

That's it!!! Nothing else here to see!!! 

[Osaid]

13 hours ago, Yimpa said:

I think eating a meal cooked by Gordon Ramsay could definitely be a better experience than eating a McDonald’s meal 

Because you're a human that has survival needs. There is nothing existential telling you it is better aside from your relative desire to experience things as a human. This is a human anthropomorphism. This whole idea of higher and lower degrees of consciousness is anthropomorphism. OF COURSE Truth and reality doesn't hinge on achieving a HIGHER (dualism) degree of consciousness. And it seems that Leo has tried to reconcile this discrepancy by saying that "Truth" is different from "degrees of consciousness", so he is biting the bullet on the fact that it IS dualistic and separate from Truth, but it is not merely just a useful relative distinction he is making, it is creating a serious cognitive dissonance somewhere which is preventing him from considering enlightenment as a possibility. He is also definitely conflating "degrees of consciousness" with enlightenment/Truth. He needs to ask WHY it is necessary to switch to "higher" states forever to access what reality is. Just because an experience is morphing the metaphysics of your experience, that does not mean it is Truth or enlightenment.

This might seem paradoxical and impossible, but the ONLY existential deception that can occur in the entirety of existence is non-enlightenment. Either you can see what reality is, or you can't. There are only states where things are THOUGHT to be finite. All states are always infinite. All states have access to Truth. If you do not handle this "enlightenment" thing, your lack of clarity will bleed into most of the rest of your experiences.

Also the idea that Ralston is denying "metaphysical love" is a complete strawman.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Osaid

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Majority of these discussions are a waste of time if you are just here to push your assumptions.

1. The Spiritual Path is the path of honesty.

1. Admit what you know to be true, and what you don't. Investigate every freaking belief you hold about reality and what you think IT/YOU are capable of. Admit where your current level of Consciousness is, but open your mind up to other possibilities. Choose which possibility to investigate it and investigate it for yourself it is true.

2. Some where along this process you will attain a direct connection to Universal Consciousness. When this happens now you can truly start to investigate different things because that connection never drops. I repeat it never drops, but you can certainly delude yourself into thinking it drops by telling yourself that LIE and it becomes true. 

Microdosing can help, but again resolve biases and meditate while on those substances. Try different techniques, you can try chakra music, other types of frequency music, visualization exercises (be careful not to get caught in self-deception), or whatever else you can find that works for you.

Anything outside of pure honesty of what you know and don't know is just self-deception. Use this filter not just on yourself but on ANYBODY you read, or listen to. At some level everyone is operating within self-deception. Why? Because you have not dissolved yourself of all bias. As long as bias exists within you, you are still deceived. 

That's it!!! Nothing else here to see!!! 

Inspired

[Yimpa]

Look here…

What does Peter Ralston, Leo Gura, Yimpa, Breakingthewall, Bazooka Jesus, gettoefl, Razard86, Sidra khan, Osaid, Gordon Ramsay, SpongeBob SquarePants, enlightenment, ego, human, bird, plane, Superman, Alien Love, etc. all have in common?!

I really don’t want to ruin the surprise, or you may shit yourself silly! And I ain’t cleaning it up, because

[Osaid]

If anything is to be taken away:

If you're not directly conscious of it, the possibility of deception is always there, because it occurs in that same way everytime. If you are "trusting" anything anyone says on anything existential/metaphysical, you have failed step one, which is to examine your experience, not to entertain ideas or trust other people. You are not an assumption. This entire thing is very personal and it has all to do with you and your current experience, never any other experience.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Osaid

[lostingenosmaze]

@Osaid Word ??

[Leo Gura]

@Osaid I want to slap you so hard. But you are too dense for it to knock any sense into you.

You have learned nothing from me.

The way you guys misuse spirituality is stunning.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Leo Gura