The Axis Of Reality

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Again: What makes Islam better?

@Bazooka Jesus 

For me.. it’s the fact that Islam has a logical answer to every single question; spiritual or temporal that I’ve asked. All it takes is searching for the answer in the right place. Most Muslims (and non Muslims) do not have sufficient data to arrive at the right answers because they don’t ever research Islam themselves but rely on conclusions arrived at by the media or other hostile sources.

14 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

again: You have not brought forth one convincing argument against trinity besides "it's a story bro" - which is no argument at all since, by your own admission, all we can ever talk about are stories.

Neither did you prove the trinity right. 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Bazooka Jesus 

For me.. it’s the fact that Islam has a logical answer to every single question; spiritual or temporal that I’ve asked.

For example?

26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Neither did you prove the trinity right. 

Where is the flaw in my argument?

I'll be more than happy to clear up any points in my explanation of Trinity that you didn't understand.

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

15 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Where is the flaw in my argument?

Well? I am waiting, brother.

If you don't have any actual arguments that would refute my explanation, then just say so and we can close this discussion.

[Someone here]

22 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

For example?

Where is the flaw in my argument?

I'll be more than happy to clear up any points in my explanation of Trinity that you didn't understand.

 

7 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Well? I am waiting, brother.

If you don't have any actual arguments that would refute my explanation, then just say so and we can close this discussion.

Listen. .go study the scriptures.  Read the bible and read the quran and see which makes more sense .

the Bible is a collection of books written by over 60 writers over a period of 1500 years.. while the Quran is supposed to be direct channelling from God to Mohammed. 

 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

the Bible is a collection of books written by over 60 writers over a period of 1500 years.. while the Quran is supposed to be direct channelling from God to Mohammed.

Keyword: Supposed.

For a guy who claims to be all about realizing truth directly without falling back upon mental stories, you sure put WAY too much weight on (supposed) outside authorities. Pointing to someone else and saying "it must be true because that dude over there told me so" is not a convincing argument for anything, much less a solid ground on which to build your entire world view.

And as I already showed you, my notion of Trinity is based on direct experience, so... no cookie for you, I am afraid.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Keyword: Supposed.

For a guy who claims to be all about realizing truth directly without falling back upon mental stories, you sure put WAY too much weight on (supposed) outside authorities. Pointing to someone else and saying "it must be true because that dude over there told me so" is not a convincing argument for anything, much less a solid ground on which to build your entire world view.

And as I already showed you, my notion of Trinity is based on direct experience, so... no cookie for you, I am afraid.

I already explained that to you.

From the absolute perspective..everything..absolutely everything is nonsense..only this moment exist and full stop.

But..from the relative perspective..you need stories.  Try to live as a agnostic nobody and see what's up.

Its like asking which makes most sense to you out of Santa Claus..tooth fairy.. and Pinocchio. ? lol

"Sense-wise" ...Christianity(and the trinity bullshido)is out. It’s trying to put a nice face on Yahve who in Old testament is vain..vicious creature that torments and tests people in disgusting ways.

And God can only be one and invisible .if there is three entities that are fully God ..each one of them would be lacking.

 

[Guest Bazooka Jesus]

@Someone here

Sigh. Okay, let me explain it one more time to you... even tough you'll probably continue playing dumb, but what the hell:

Are you looking at a screen right now? Yes or no?

Does this screen appear inside an undivided space of awareness? Yes or no?

Are you / Can you become conscious of the totality of your aware experience? Yes or no?

If you have answered these three questions with yes, then CONGRATULATIONS, you have just confirmed Trinity.

As for Islam vs. Christianity: I absolutely and positively don't give a fuck which religious story book you prefer. I prefer neither. But you do you, brother.

[Someone here]

@Bazooka Jesus whatever,brother. 

[Razard86]

On 9/8/2023 at 11:15 AM, Bazooka Jesus said:

Greetings, fellow seekers of truth, Due to a lengthy discussion that I've had recently with an esteemed forum member about the topic of duality / nonduality, I thought it might be good to provide some further clarification and present what I'd like to call "the axis of reality". Keep in mind that the following is of course only an abstract symbolic representation of reality, NOT reality itself.

So, without further ado... here it is:

Duality = Form = Experience = REALITY = Consciousness = Formlessness = Nonduality

Note that these seven words are all ultimately referring to the exact same thing; they are simply seven aspects of the One Thing in existence.

There is no question that the overwhelming majority of people who are living on this planet are completely absorbed in the left side of this axis (Duality = Form = Experience); it's not so much that they don't see reality as it is, but rather they only see one specific part of it. Now, most so-called spiritual teachings are generally geared towards making people who are "lost" on the left side become aware of the right side. This is not about leading them from the wrong side to the right one; this is about making them see the whole glorious picture, for reality would be incomplete without either one of these two flanks. So when we say things like "duality is just an appearance", "form is illusion" or "there are no human beings inside human bodies", these are not expressions of truth; such phrases are nothing but pointers that are supposed to show you the pathway that leads from left to right. You can think of them as signposts that those who have managed to grasp the entirety of the axis leave for the other folks so that they know where to look for the missing piece of the puzzle.

(Psychedelics too are vehicles, if you will, that take you on a journey from left to right and back again. It is however up to you to put the pieces together afterwards and develop an unfragmented awareness of the complete picture; that's why allowing for enough integration time in between your "peeks" is of vital importance. I cannot stress this last part enough!)

Again: The right part of the axis is NOT more real than the left part. The mistake that many spiritual seekers make is that once they have become aware of the Consciousness = Formlessness = Nonduality side of the equation, they all of a sudden think that this part is literally all that there is to reality.. which it isn't. Instead of seeing the whole picture, they have just traded one kind of narrow tunnel vision for another. Being completely absorbed in the right side of the axis is every bit as delusional as being absorbed in the left side. So if your pendulum has swung all the way from one extreme to the other and now is stuck there, your awareness is just as lopsided as the awareness of those who have never made that transition in the first place... which can wreak all kinds of dysfunctional havoc in your life.

What is the solution? Very simple: Just allow the pendulum to swing back to the center and rest in REALITY; and from there, let your awareness expand in both directions simultaneously, into infinity.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call "awakening".

Hope this helps.

This is false....REAL is just a concept....created through the Miracle of Love. If I wiped all memory of you being a human and gave you a psychedelic you could never be human again. The human experience is defined by a dualistic experience. Once the dualistic experience is dropped by definition of your own society you cannot be human.

Why do you think most cannot awaken, because they cannot drop their attachment to the dual experience and I completely understand. Imagination is not just some perspective, imagination is without limits, it's limitless. This means Imagination is TOTAL. 

So unless you change your definition of real to = IMAGINATION then you do not understand. This new definition will realize that there is no different than you closing your eyes right now and imagining you physical body and opening your eyes and looking at your physical body. When you close your eyes and think of something that happened in your past that was dear to you, those memories feel REAL to you. Why? Because you love them!!!

What you call REAL is what you love. Telling you that everything is IMAGINARY is scary to you, and hurts your feelings. I get it...trust me I get it. But the truth is often that which hurts feelings which is why this path is so hard. Until you can overcome your SELF-HATRED of being imaginary you will continue to play this game. Reality is Imaginary. Imagination is both the truth and a lie, the form and formless, change, and changeless all at once.

But there is no material world, there is only an imaginary world that APPEARS to be a 3 dimensional material world. But it is ONLY an appearance. Anything else...is lies and tomfoolery. Once you fully awaken you get to see the many seekers who dance around and get stuck here and you know why....because the price to fully surrender to the imaginary nature of what you thought was REAL is a tough pill to swallow. It let's you know who loves the truth, and who loves lies.