What is it that we ultimately seek ?

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Just now, Inliytened1 said:

But you don't have the same perspective.    perspective requires limitation.  If you free yourself of Limitation, and of a perspective, then all must be allowed.   Otherwise it wouldn't be unconditional Lobe.

I agree.and that's exactly my point. And that's exactly my point . So the ugly stuff ..the bad guys ..the rape ..the murder ..the mass shooting etc all of that is GOD'S GOODNESS.  

So when you say something like "truth will kill you "..I have to disagree...because truth is lack of bias .completely indiscriminate so it can't judge anything and label it as bad or evil . 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I agree.and that's exactly my point. And that's exactly my point . So the ugly stuff ..the bad guys ..the rape ..the murder ..the mass shooting etc all of that is GOD'S GOODNESS.  

So when you say something like "truth will kill you "..I have to disagree...because truth is lack of bias .completely indiscriminate so it can't judge anything and label it as bad or evil . 

Truth will kill the ego.  The ego is bias.  And how is that not accurate?   Enlightenment is becoming the Truth itself.   It kills the illusion. 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Inliytened1

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2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Truth will kill the ego.  The ego is bias.  And how is that not accurate?   Enlightenment is becoming the Truth itself.   It kills the illusion. 

I understand your point.  What I'm trying to convey is that Truth kills the ego figuratively not literally.  You as a human continue to exist . Your sense of self will not be 100% eliminated. Otherwise you would literally die in this case .

So enlightenment is not nessacarly getting rid of the ego (you can't get of it )..but just seeing through it . So everyone would be acting from ego ..except you .

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I understand your point.  What I'm trying to convey is that Truth kills the ego figuratively not literally.  everyone would be acting from ego ..except you .

If it wasn't literal it wouldn't be enlightenment now would it?  If reality is a mind then why can't you die?   Ponder that.   Now - do you come back?  Yeah.  But that's only because you ain't done with the dream here.   The body ceases to exist in enlightenment.   If you aren't thinking of your body it ain't there.  There is only Consciousness.   A body doesn't need to be there.  A body is only there if your sense of self is there. 

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45 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If it wasn't literal it wouldn't be enlightenment now would it?  If reality is a mind then why can't you die?   Ponder that.   Now - do you come back?  Yeah.  But that's only because you ain't done with the dream here.   The body ceases to exist in enlightenment.   If you aren't thinking of your body it ain't there.  There is only Consciousness.   A body doesn't need to be there.  A body is only there if your sense of self is there. 

1) spiritual people have different definitions of "enlightenment ". Mind to share your own definition?

2) there is in fact ZERO evidence that death is real . How do you know you gonna die in the future?  I dare you to give me one single  evidence that death is real ....I know this sounds like mad talk Right now but hey ..if you do hardcore contemplating you will reach to hardcore conclusions .

3) the body is more than a thought.  You have direct experience of it . A totally unexperienced thing would be a thought like a unicorn .

 

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4 hours ago, Someone here said:

agree.and that's exactly my point. And that's exactly my point . So the ugly stuff ..the bad guys ..the rape ..the murder ..the mass shooting etc all of that is GOD'S GOODNESS.  

The problem is imagining that God is a guy (specifically you), who gets bored, and does things, and is very joking and hides from himself, and all that. that conception occurs when the ego is not completely dissolved. reality is the unlimited infinity, that is what you are ultimately and it is completely impersonal. Infinity manifests itself in the cosmos in constant evolution, it is said to be love in the sense that it is pure existence without limits, not that it loves you and cares for you.

You are the limitless wild reality, surrounded by thousands of limits imposed by thousands of generations of humans and millions of years of evolution to create the extremely complex pattern of existence that is now manifesting. Everything that happens is a cosmic dance, a very complex movement of evolution. Simplifying it as: you are god and you love yourself is wrong. what is god? you? No, you are the product of apparent duality. break the you, and limitless reality manifests. You can call it love, since limitless existence is what we call love, and in the dance of existence there is ying and yang, birth, death and evolution. You could say that it's imaginary, but it's just a word that implies a subject who is doing something, imagine, with a result, a dream . Wrong. there is just the reality happening, with many layers of patterns creating complexity. You are the reality, but reality is not a you

Edited September 9, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

1) spiritual people have different definitions of "enlightenment ". Mind to share your own definition?

 

It is pure literalness. Actuality.  That's probably as close as words can get.   Because words are built on top of this literallness.  So they won't be able to capture it.  

 

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

 

2) there is in fact ZERO evidence that death is real . How do you know you gonna die in the future?  I dare you to give me one single  evidence that death is real ....I know this sounds like mad talk Right now but hey ..if you do hardcore contemplating you will reach to hardcore conclusions .

 

 

How can there be evidence of something prior to evidence?  You want scientific proof.  But Einsten found that there was something mystical to reality, something prior to scientific law.   Maybe it is the very thing from which scientific law spawned.

 

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

 

 

 

3) the body is more than a thought.  You have direct experience of it . A totally unexperienced thing would be a thought like a unicorn .

 

It is a very powerfully molded thought by an Infinte Mind- giving it solidity.  But this solidity, no matter how powerful it appears, is a thought nonetheless.  There are nothing but thoughts.   It's just that some seem so solid.   That's how we are fooled into thinking there is a physical world. 

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35 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It is a very powerfully molded thought by an Infinte Mind- giving it solidity.  But this solidity, no matter how powerful it appears, is a thought nonetheless.  There are nothing but thoughts.   It's just that some seem so solid.   That's how we are fooled into thinking there is a physical world

Very profound 

13 hours ago, LastThursday said:

 

 

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Edited September 9, 2023 by Schizophonia

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