I don't care what you say, porn is damaging

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Tenebroso said:

I'm on day 10 of what I hope will be a long No Fap streak. It's the sedation aspect which is driving me, just feels pathetic to sedate yourself as a way of avoiding your problems. I think some porn watching, drinking can be ok for a more actualized socially and sexually successful guy but for most of us porn, drugs, alcohol and video games are a cope.

It’s good that you’ve identified coping mechanisms that have become unhealthy, yet you are still hung up on your streak. 

[oldhandle]

I can wrap my head around a random consumer in society, a non spiritual person thinking porn is no big deal and isn't damaging.

It's still a bit difficult for me to wrap my head around the fact that some people who think alcohol, weed, video games, internet addiction, social media are all bad, who have studied many spiritual traditions, who have an understanding of dopamine and brain science... I'm still kinda unsure how some people out there that fit this description still don't recognize porn is really terrible.

Edited September 10, 2023 by oldhandle

[D2sage]

Listen to what Gura said 5 years ago about porn.

Listen to the whole video, it is one of the best.

Edited September 11, 2023 by D2sage

[oldhandle]

Wtf happened, how could he have said that and now not believe it. Actually I'm stunned. 

[Danioover9000]

@The Redeemer

   It's complicated and based on many developmental factors like Stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, 9 stages of ego development, Carl Jung's shadow aspects, life experiences, other lines of development from life to societal domains, ideological beliefs indoctrinated from upbringing and culture, self biases and preferences that shaped your paradigm and worldview. The issues with pornography are mostly personal issues with broad and sometimes deep implications for other systemic issues that pornography covers for.

   The main problem I see when users here talk about pornography, is porn is mostly your personal experiences and issues at an individual level, entangled with issues like dating, relationships with the opposite or same sex, misunderstandings of the male/female mind, and sometimes even traumas and challenges unique to that one person. Every time pornography is talked here, almost everyone makes this mistake of projecting their negative porn usages onto the masses and collective, and assume they are suffering the same way as you do. Not really, for the average males out there, and unfortunately until you untangle yourself from negative narratives you tell involving your disempowered ego, struggling so much for dating and real life sex, what's lost is the global or statewide consequence if we straight out ban or make pornography illegal. That will be very similar to the alcohol prohibition, more shady types and the black market demand for porn will increase. Regardless of your individual challenges, there will be a collective market for sex, and a demand for porn.

   I could partly agree that hardcore stage orange porn, with some stage red values might be unhealthy, or even more than that is being in a state of getting cucked, just passively watching another male or female have sex with your ideal sexual partner. In fact if I had to make a guess, your hatred is more towards the men that get to have that real sex and not you yourself, and that turned into jeep jealousy, but whatever the reason, your mind turned that into sexually objectifying women or some story negative about women. I could be wrong, but it's my feeling reading some of your posts, it's actually a deep hate for those men, more so than women, and that feeling.

[Danioover9000]

@Tenebroso

On 2023-09-10 at 1:44 PM, Tenebroso said:

I'm on day 10 of what I hope will be a long No Fap streak. It's the sedation aspect which is driving me, just feels pathetic to sedate yourself as a way of avoiding your problems. I think some porn watching, drinking can be ok for a more actualized socially and sexually successful guy but for most of us porn, drugs, alcohol and video games are a cope.

   First of all, great you lasted to 10 days. Unfortunately, NoFap shouldn't be the only solution to your porn addiction, as what actually happens is there's far more horniness and aggression, and a deeper craving for sexual release. Also, while porn induced erectile dysfunction is probably cured, depends, but if you're not careful in how you ejaculate, and you peek/edge, you'll get blue balls plus intense pain of the testicular chambers and tubes.

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, oldhandle said:

Wtf happened, how could he have said that and now not believe it. Actually I'm stunned. 

It’s called personal development for a reason; not personal stagnation. 

Do you still believe in Santa Clause?

Edited September 12, 2023 by Yimpa

[digitalkaine]

On 9/8/2023 at 2:41 AM, oldhandle said:

I'm not saying everyone who watches porn will end up like this, but let's be real, without internet porn, this person could not have been possible:
 

 

oh god i seen this video a week ago couldnt even make it halfway through. Idk if i would say that without porn this guy wouldnt exist I feel like ppl like this have existed throughout history. I still dont think porn is like healthy by any means but I'm struggling to understand why that is the case to be honest.

All I know is typically when I meet someone who advocates for porn I dont usually kind of dont agree with their worldview and kind of just think they're coping. I really try to understand why I'm kind of repulsed by porn stars, people like Adam22, etc. and other people who are considered to live the degenerate lifestyle. 

I do lean towards more the opposite view at this point but If im completely honest I feel like there may be some kind of hinderance in my psychology just by being so neurotic about consuming porn and while agree with alot of nofap people I also think that its just not healthy to be so anti anything. 

I know alot of ppl would say like balance is important but idk I just know being so judgemental about it isnt really benefiting anyone. 

[D2sage]

Idk. Maybe its all self deception to even normalize porn also. 

Leo has 3 part video on the topic and when you listen to it all he explain how we decieve ourself by lying to ourself.

I recommend watching all 3 parts. Really good series.

If you dont have a sex partner then simply quit porn before it is to late.

Edited September 12, 2023 by D2sage

[Yimpa]

I highly recommend sex with a beautiful woman at 3 in the moaning. 

[D2sage]

Leo said to someone on this forum a while ago to have Viagra in his pocket because its bad to pull a stunner when you get a girl to your bed.

Now, why would you pull a stunner if you are young? Maybe ED from porn.

Porn is indeed damaging if you need Viagra.

Edited September 12, 2023 by D2sage

[josemar]

I've sex with my beautiful wife around 3 times a week, and that is enough for her, with our other responsibilities of raising 2 kids and our jobs, friends and hobbies, she'd be too tired if we did it more often.

My sex drive is slightly higher and I watch VR porn another 2 times a week on average.

Do I have all the contracted thoughts about whether it's damaging for me? Nope. I don't deny there are people who suffer from conditions such as POIS or religion-induced chronic guilt for breathing, but that is their karma. Karma = ignorance.

We're happy with this arrangement, and I feel great after sex with my wife, or VR porn.

[D2sage]

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by D2sage

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, Yimpa said:

I highly recommend sex with a beautiful woman at 3 in the moaning. 

Already did.

Still boring.

[oldhandle]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Already did.

Still boring.

You mean relative to porn?