Leo Is Wrong About Andrew Tate : Deep Inner Workings

[Bobby_2021]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:15 AM, Razard86 said:

ruthlessly manipulate others and then deny that you did so.

Where did this manipulation thing come up from? 

It's not all black and white where everything Tate says has to be wrong. Such divisive narratives only add more power to his narrative since he is banking on people having different opinions on him.

Let's stick to discussing facts and nothing more.

On 9/8/2023 at 8:15 AM, Razard86 said:

There is a time and place for ruthlessness in extreme circumstances...

I am living in extreme circumstances.

On 9/8/2023 at 8:15 AM, Razard86 said:

age...ruthlessness is in general unnecessary

Either you are extremely privileged or extremely naive or you don't understand what you are saying or meaning by "ruthlessness".

Not judging you, but that's what people in general who says these things are. 

[Optimized Life]

On 05/09/2023 at 0:08 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@Optimized Life

*fair, unless you're okay paying the fare for me to take you on a journey, to explain to you why you're so wrong about the Tate brothers not being sociopaths that you seem right.

No definitive proof, even if when Andrew Tate confessed in a clip how he pimped young girls into his webcam business, and made allusions to tax evasions, also let me passively write off a 'I don't agree with completely BBBUUUUUTTT!!!' I still look right and you're just wrong attitude. This is close mindedness and dogma. This is not productive at all. Stop talking about red pill and making these simplistic views.

So much for an optimized life, optimized for lies, Optimus Prime likes. You make the Decepticons smile, so deep in the river Niles, full of denial and death yet you feel so alive...WILD.?

Running a webcam business is a business. It's not any worse than running a liquor store. 
Society applauds filthy rich girls on only fans, they're not spending life behind bars for it (Nor should they either)

Red pill? red pill black pill Idgaf about red pill, , but tate he needs to be free man now, this is injustice at it's peak.

Webcam business is legal, he dodged some tax, give him a fine. 

You are the evil one because you want to encage people for capitalistic or exploitative tendencies, but everyone's like that, he is not comparable to some murderous kidnapping Cartel monster, not 1% comparable. 

Tax evasion? stop being a dork please, literally everyone commits tax evasion. Give him fine isn't a reason for jail. 

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Optimized Life

[SOUL]

I see people are picking through turds trying to find chocolate chips but even if you can it's covered in crap.

[Danioover9000]

@SOUL

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

I see people are picking through turds trying to find chocolate chips but even if you can it's covered in crap.

   It's a real thing historically you know? The early settlers faced cannibalism but also cocophagy.

[Danioover9000]

@Optimized Life

2 hours ago, Optimized Life said:

Running a webcam business is a business. It's not any worse than running a liquor store. 
Society applauds filthy rich girls on only fans, they're not spending life behind bars for it (Nor should they either)

Red pill? red pill black pill Idgaf about red pill, , but tate he needs to be free man now, this is injustice at it's peak.

Webcam business is legal, he dodged some tax, give him a fine. 

You are the evil one because you want to encage people for capitalistic or exploitative tendencies, but everyone's like that, he is not comparable to some murderous kidnapping Cartel monster, not 1% comparable. 

Tax evasion? stop being a dork please, literally everyone commits tax evasion. Give him fine isn't a reason for jail. 

 

   Yes, I am evil because I want a tax evading human trafficking sex pimp who coerces, blackmails and threatens young teenage girls into a webcam business built on exploitation to face jistice and go to jail. I am a terrible person, may god forgive my sense of morality!

[Consept]

@Optimized Life

Just to be clear, the issue isnt that he has a webcam business, the issue is that he got women to work in it through deception (pretending hes in a relationship and wants to marry them) and kept them there through controlling their finances, holding passports, blackmail etc. 

These things are highly illegal obviously. If he had just asked women maybe already in the industry and negotiated a deal with them that's fine but of course those women wouldn't work for next to nothing and could leave whenever they wanted, which is not what Tates wants of course. 

 

[something_else]

11 hours ago, Optimized Life said:

Running a webcam business is a business. It's not any worse than running a liquor store. 

...

Webcam business is legal, he dodged some tax, give him a fine. 

He is being charged with rape, human trafficking, and trafficking minors.

The legal issue isn't the webcam business itself but how he was misleading, recruiting, transporting, and controlling the girls for it. He was also using them to scam men out of millions too which adds to the illegality.

It doesn't seem like the way that Tate was running his webcam business was legal at all.

Edited September 11, 2023 by something_else

[Danioover9000]

@something_else

1 hour ago, something_else said:

He is being charged with rape, human trafficking, and trafficking minors.

The legal issue isn't the webcam business itself but how he was misleading, recruiting, transporting, and controlling the girls for it. He was also using them to scam men out of millions too which adds to the illegality.

It doesn't seem like the way that Tate was running his webcam business was legal at all.

   Oh yes, forgot the rape charge as well, along with tax evasion and human sex trafficking.

[Bobby_2021]

12 hours ago, Optimized Life said:

Running a webcam business is a business. It's not any worse than running a liquor store. 
Society applauds filthy rich girls on only fans, they're not spending life behind bars for it (Nor should they either)

Red pill? red pill black pill Idgaf about red pill, , but tate he needs to be free man now, this is injustice at it's peak.

Webcam business is legal, he dodged some tax, give him a fine. 

The charges and arrest was not for running a web cam business.

It's human trafficking.

Not kidnapping. Not Webcam. 

[Yimpa]

Y’all may find it interesting that the Philippines is the “only country in the world" where divorce is illegal. 

I had an aunt, despite moving to America from the Philippines, who was clearly in an abusive relationship. She met her husband in America. Despite this, nobody in my family did diddly-squat about the abuse. Why? Because marriage is sacred and you are to respect it like a sheep.

Culture plays a significant role in how you handle your relationships.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_the_Philippines

[OmniNaut]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

Y’all may find it interesting that the Philippines is the “only country in the world" where divorce is illegal. 

I had an aunt, despite moving to America from the Philippines, who was clearly in an abusive relationship. She met her husband in America. Despite this, nobody in my family did diddly-squat about the abuse. Why? Because marriage is sacred and you are to respect it like a sheep.

Culture plays a significant role in how you handle your relationships.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_the_Philippines

Yup that's what you can expect from a SD stage blue country. I caught a news message last year that they trying to open up the rules a bit. I don't know what the current state is.

The effect it creates is hollow mariages. I call them MINOs. Marriage In Name Only. As a result a lot of infidelity. But still for a lot of Filipinas marriage is there ultimate goal in life. That's what they were indoctrinated with. And what is typical for a stage blue society. You don't speak of it, and when you speak (openly) about a certain (forbidden) topic you are looked down by society.

The Filipina Pea on YouTube sometimes tries to speak out about these kind of (forbidden) subjects within Filipino culture. Mostly her subjects are focussed towards foreigners.

Edited September 11, 2023 by OmniNaut

[Yimpa]

Amazing how crazy shit also goes down in the US Navy

Donald Trump and allies would gladly support and defend this shenanigans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal

Edited September 12, 2023 by Yimpa

[Optimized Life]

On 11/09/2023 at 2:06 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@Optimized Life

   Yes, I am evil because I want a tax evading human trafficking sex pimp who coerces, blackmails and threatens young teenage girls into a webcam business built on exploitation to face jistice and go to jail. I am a terrible person, may god forgive my sense of morality!

They were responsible adults we're not talking about 13 year olds.
He was a webcam manager, frame it as "human trafficking sex pimp" but you do not have any proof nor experience of how operations went on.

These girls made good money  too and knew what they were doing. 

As for coercion, violence against women, rape and blackmail, of course I don't agree with this and it should be punished severely, I am just saying that you have no proof that he committed these things and I am yet to believe that he did do any of these things, but if proof would be found of this then, yes he would deserve a hefty sentence, no one can deny that. 

I am not anti justice, but I do not believe that Tate is this guilty, and like I said the burden of proof must remain. 

Tax evasion does not deserve a prison sentence. Almost everyone in the world evades tax, and you're far too deeply toxically ideologically left to be this passionate about tax evasion. 

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, Optimized Life said:

I am just saying that you have no proof that he committed these things and I am yet to believe that he did do any of these things, but if proof would be found of this then, yes he would deserve a hefty sentence, no one can deny that. 

The proof is in the pudding.

Case in point, powerful people can get away with shit for decades and you’d have no idea.

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, Optimized Life said:

These girls made good money  too and knew what they were doing. 

Sounds like you are quite confident about making positive claims about the story (that you clearly haven't done much research on), without waiting for the end details about his case, while also calling out others for not showing you evidence for their claims.

Btw if you would have done research on this you would know, that there is indeed plenty of evidence against him, thats why he was  charged with multiple things.

Your skepticism regarding him being a pimp is really fascinating, knowing that he had a phd (pimping hoes degree) course on his own website and there are leaked logs from the war room such as:

Quote

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66604827

'Remove her entire support structure'
Message from 'Ilggy Semmelweiss' to War Room members

After that it becomes a series of gradual steps to remove her entire
support structure from her life.

Then we 'punish' her for a transgression - real or imagined - by having
her get our name tattooed on her, leaving her family's home apartment town country, WebCamming/ stripping /walking the
track for us, getting us girls, escalate, escalate, escalate.

Sounds perfectly like an open invitation to become part of their webcam business right? There is no such thing that would be perfectly applicable to the definition of sex trafficking using the lover-boy method right? This is just about a regular webcam business offer where both party knows beforehand what they are getting into and there are no false premises here, right?

Also how convenient that that dude talks about "get our name tattooed on her", because there are multiple women who has a tattoo with a label of  "owned by Tate" which doesn't sound anything what a sex trafficking pimp would do at all.

Edited September 13, 2023 by zurew

[Danioover9000]

@Optimized Life

3 hours ago, Optimized Life said:

They were responsible adults we're not talking about 13 year olds.
He was a webcam manager, frame it as "human trafficking sex pimp" but you do not have any proof nor experience of how operations went on.

These girls made good money  too and knew what they were doing. 

As for coercion, violence against women, rape and blackmail, of course I don't agree with this and it should be punished severely, I am just saying that you have no proof that he committed these things and I am yet to believe that he did do any of these things, but if proof would be found of this then, yes he would deserve a hefty sentence, no one can deny that. 

I am not anti justice, but I do not believe that Tate is this guilty, and like I said the burden of proof must remain. 

Tax evasion does not deserve a prison sentence. Almost everyone in the world evades tax, and you're far too deeply toxically ideologically left to be this passionate about tax evasion. 

   So you're fine letting Andrew Tate rape young girls, coercing them into working illegally in webcam, stealing tax payers money, and scamming young boys with false bravado and machismo? 

   @Optimized Life  is good example of corrupt skepticism.

[Optimized Life]

On 14/09/2023 at 1:19 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@Optimized Life

   So you're fine letting Andrew Tate rape young girls

Man you've completely lost me on this one  

No, i said rape and coercision should be punished severely, what are you smoking 

Edited September 23, 2023 by Optimized Life

[Danioover9000]

@Optimized Life

   For context, this is my quote you edited out and misquoted me on:

On 2023-09-14 at 1:19 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@Optimized Life

   So you're fine letting Andrew Tate rape young girls, coercing them into working illegally in webcam, stealing tax payers money, and scamming young boys with false bravado and machismo? 

   @Optimized Life  is good example of corrupt skepticism.

and your misquote here:

On 2023-09-14 at 1:19 AM, Danioover9000 said:

 So you're fine letting Andrew Tate rape young girls

   Why would you misquote me and engage with a straw man? Do you know that's bad faith and a fallacy?

 

1 hour ago, Optimized Life said:

Man you've completely lost me on this one  

No, i said rape and coercision should be punished severely, what are you smoking 

   So, if we took this post, and instead of replying to your edited version but mine with full context, then I assume that you're not fine with rape and coercion and that they should be punished severely, but not tax evasion and scamming young boys into false bravado? Not illegal webcam business?

   So rape and coercion is not okay, but tax evasion and scamming young boys is okay for you?

 

   Keep in mind this was your past post here:

On 2023-09-13 at 9:52 PM, Optimized Life said:

They were responsible adults we're not talking about 13 year olds.
He was a webcam manager, frame it as "human trafficking sex pimp" but you do not have any proof nor experience of how operations went on.

These girls made good money  too and knew what they were doing. 

As for coercion, violence against women, rape and blackmail, of course I don't agree with this and it should be punished severely, I am just saying that you have no proof that he committed these things and I am yet to believe that he did do any of these things, but if proof would be found of this then, yes he would deserve a hefty sentence, no one can deny that. 

I am not anti justice, but I do not believe that Tate is this guilty, and like I said the burden of proof must remain. 

Tax evasion does not deserve a prison sentence. Almost everyone in the world evades tax, and you're far too deeply toxically ideologically left to be this passionate about tax evasion. 

   Which also raises more question like:

   They were responsible adults, so it's when he coerced and pimped them because they're adults, so if you find out that he did pimp a 13 year old, would you change your position?

   Because I don't have any proof, nor experience of how operations went on, that it invalidates the frame of 'human trafficking sex pimp' because he was a webcam manager?

   So the girls knew what they were doing, and made good money, justifies illegal webcam business, sex trafficking, and tax evasion?

   So for coercion, violence against women, rape and blackmail, you don't agree or support that and it should be punished severely, if it's anyone else but Andrew Tate? Again because my lack of proof he's not guilty, until there's proof, and you also say yes he would deserve a hefty fine, no one can deny that...except you?

   Why does tax evasion not deserve a prison sentence? So because I'm hypothetically too deeply toxically ideologically left to be this passionate about tax evasion, that tax evasion is not a crime? How does that assumption work to you?

 

[Danioover9000]

@Optimized Life

1 hour ago, Optimized Life said:

@Danioover9000 Tax is theft.

   Then I've won the argument.