Help me understand the concept of giving

[LoneWonderer]

I don't fully understand how giving returns and I feel it may be holding me back. Explain if you can for example why do really rich people (and not so rich)  give away large portions of money and like a law of the universe or something they recieve. Help me understand because honestly I'm quite a selfish person who only cares about myself 99.8% of the time but want to change.

[Salvijus]

I think it's because when you hold onto money, you're in fear, in contraction, so the energy is not flowing and you're making a silent statement "I'm small, I'm in lack, and unless I hold tight in fear I will not survive" and therefor you manifest a poor reality with sense of lack.

On the other hand, if you give, you feel expansion, heart becomes very open in the moment of giving, energy is flowing freely, there is joy, thankfulness, sense of completeness in it. So when you abide in that state of completeness, that state manifests on all levels.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Salvijus

[Schizophonia]

Everything is always fundamentally selfish.

[LoneWonderer]

@Salvijus that is a good way to put it thanks. So I should give even when I have little to nothing?

[Schizophonia]

Altruism is an illusion and an Abrahamic contamination, in fact it is only guilt.
All that is tangible and that founded the story is the libido and the balance of power between libidinal agents (men), you want to respect and love your neighbor, not by "virtue" but by pragmatism, for your own agenda.
It's called being human, a human shit, it pisses, it smells bad, it makes calculations, it's manipulative etc etc and it's above all fundamentally, entirely, selfish and narcissistic, it's like this: It's funny, it's even beautiful and much more touching than any delirious idealistic vision.

 

edit I don't mean that the gift is stupid, but that you are only satisfying your (selfish) compulsions related to your empathy.

Whatever.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Schizophonia

[LoneWonderer]

@Schizophonia Yes I can see this to be the case. But I can see how my very selfish nature makes me miserable. If it is for my benefit and can help my mental well-being why not try it out?

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

@Schizophonia Yes I can see this to be the case. But I can see how my very selfish nature makes me miserable. If it is for my benefit and can help my mental well-being why not try it out?

Can you give examples?

[LoneWonderer]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Can you give examples?

With my family as an example. All I do is ask and recieve yet never give in return. Even simple things like wishing people close to me happy birthday I don't do it. There's no good reason why I shouldn't at least wish people close to me happy birthday and make them feel that I care. And I should return the kindness of others when they make small sacrifices for me but most of the time I don't because it's just easier to not give back. This is the dynamic I must change. 

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

With my family as an example. All I do is ask and recieve yet never give in return. Even simple things like wishing people close to me happy birthday I don't do it. There's no good reason why I shouldn't at least wish people close to me happy birthday and make them feel that I care. And I should return the kindness of others when they make small sacrifices for me but most of the time I don't because it's just easier to not give back. This is the dynamic I must change. 

Indeed it is not really a question of selfishness. ?
It's just that you don't like your family, probably because you're uncooperative with them for some reason and basically just miming interest/appreciation, not having the "courage" to go to the end of hypocrisy by wishing them happy birthday etc.

If you were in love with a person, or simply had a very strong and regular relationship with a person, would you be just as """selfish"""? 

[LoneWonderer]

@Schizophonia

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Indeed it is not really a question of selfishness. ?
It's just that you don't like your family, probably because you're uncooperative with them for some reason and basically just miming interest/appreciation, not having the "courage" to go to the end of hypocrisy by wishing them happy birthday etc.

If you were in love with a person, or simply had a very strong and regular relationship with a person, would you be just as """selfish"""? 

Holy Shit nice point. Never really thought of it that way. You're right that I don't love them truly so yes, it feels forced. However I still want to make an effort to improve to just be a kinder more loving person. Is there really downsides to trying to improve this capacity of becoming a more giving individual?

[Salvijus]

4 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

@Salvijus that is a good way to put it thanks. So I should give even when I have little to nothing?

It's not about giving things just for the sake of giving to win god's "approval". It's about having an open heart that is not constipated with fear and selfishness. When the heart is open, the right action for you will manifest by itself. Perhaps universe will send someone to you and an exchange will happen spontanuously, maybe just an exchange of a smile, maybe a kind word, or service, or material support etc. An open heart can extend love in many ways and make even miracles happen through you without you being conciously in control of it. And love is the only thing that you can give actually. Everything else is just a different expression of love. And this energy sustains and takes care of you, it is responsible for everything in your life. And it goes by many names: joy, abundance, glory, light, freedom, expansion, unlimitedness, gratitude, grace, blessedness, everything that is good, holy and beautiful etc. And as you extend love, you eternally receive more of it from the Source/God/The Father. And in this you know, the way of living life filled with miracles and grace, fearlessness and invulnerablity, continues expanse of joy and love. And therein you find your freedom. Amen.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

Phew... that was actually really hard to respond to lol

[martins name]

Giving and receiving in relationships is a blood flow, cut off either direction and you cut off the whole flow. 

[Hojo]

The universe is a concious field you are literally eye to eye with it. Its looking right into your soul second. It will see you giving things to it and it will want to give it back to you. Because it goes by its rules do unto others. It just needs you to do it first cause it doesn't know if you are that kind of person. Rich people know this so they donate alot and get it back. The problem is there is an illusion that you are poorer than them that makes you not want to give what little you have away. This is an illusion and it actually makes you selfish,  more selfish than the rich man even if what he is giving means nothing to him.

You say they have all the money ! Let them donate! They say gladly and become more rich

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Hojo

[LoneWonderer]

Thank you all for your perspectives