Why isn't the Republican party not shifting back to the center?

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

They aren't going overboard, conservatives are overreacting.

How often do you see someone talking about "50 genders and identifying as animals"?

You using this example is a result of how conservatives work, they play dirty, pick up "extreme" and rare cases and repeat forever as something common to scare dumb boomers.

Boomers lack epistemic awareness, they confuse what they see on facebook as reality, so they think the "real world" has gone mad.

Lol, people have been talking about how demographics will make democrats dominate for a decade, and it hasn’t happened because of attitudes like this.

”they aren’t going overboard”

because of progressive policies, most minorities have been trending right, what used to be the best places to live like San Francisco, Seattle, and New York are filled with homeless people and crime and hemorrhaging people and business. Even liberals themselves have been trying to distance themselves from the left. Pretending like their is nothing wrong is just putting on a blindfold thinking that if you don’t see the issue it’s not real.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

So, would you say that even Ron DeSantis is now taking it too far with his whole "Florida is where woke goes to die"?

Of course he's lost himself pandering to MAGA morons.

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course he's lost himself pandering to MAGA morons.

Ha! I thought so!

Btw, have you seen or heard about what's been going on his state with the latin immigrants protesting in his state over his extreme immigration policies?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

Btw, have you seen or heard about what's been going on his state with the latin immigrants protesting in his state over his extreme immigration policies?

Sure

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sure

That along with his nonsensical fight with Disney has been undermining the economy of his state. So much for Republicans being perceived as being better than Democrats at handling the economy, even though it's actually the opposite that has been true.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Hardkill

[Buck Edwards]

You mean Ron DeSantis? 

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

That along with his nonsensical fight with Disney has been undermining the economy of his state. So much for Republicans being perceived as being better than Democrats at handling the economy, even though it's actually the opposite that has been true.

Overall Florida’s GDP has risen faster than the national average since the pandemic, and experiences less unemployment than the national average. Florida also has rapid population growth which will further help its economy. The economy has actually been doing well under his watch. 

[Hardkill]

13 minutes ago, Raze said:

Overall Florida’s GDP has risen faster than the national average since the pandemic, and experiences less unemployment than the national average. Florida also has rapid population growth which will further help its economy. The economy has actually been doing well under his watch. 

Oh yeah, that is all true.

However, I think he's still hurting his state's economy significantly with his far-right immigration policies and conflict with Disney.

[Hatfort]

The turning point could have been January 6th, but nope. Look at Liz Chenney, she denounced that a coup on democracy is off limits, and she has been kicked out. Very few conservative voices, including their media and online rightsphere, go openly against Trump. I can think of two, Chenney and Schwarzenegger.

Three, I checked Clint Eastwood, he left him too. By the way, this man debunks the moans of crybaby right-wingers who say Hollywood censors their side. He has his worldview, he transfers it into his movies, he is a great director, and is respected and awarded in the industry all the fucking time.

Conservative YouTubers like Peterson, Shapiro, Rogan, Tim Pool, Steven Crowder, Blaire White... None of them clearly denounce what Trump did, which was an attempt to steal an election to the rightful winner, Joe Biden, a coup. Drag shows, litter boxes, and pronouns my balls.

[Recursoinominado]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

what used to be the best places to live like San Francisco, Seattle, and New York are filled with homeless people and crime and hemorrhaging people and business.

Do you think those problems were created by the left? This kind of shallow political analysis is laughable, to be honest.

Think late-stage capitalism.

If anything, those cities need more leftist policies of social assistance. 

[Raze]

33 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Do you think those problems were created by the left? This kind of shallow political analysis is laughable, to be honest.

Think late-stage capitalism.

If anything, those cities need more leftist policies of social assistance. 

They have full democrat leadership for decades, so yes. They’ve also spent more on homelessness and done more on criminal justice reform than almost anywhere else, and all indications point to it not working. It’s not shallow to point out the obvious.

[Recursoinominado]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

They have full democrat leadership for decades, so yes.

Well, then their "democrat" suck as left policies go. Some would say that the US only has a right-wing party and a slight less right-wing party.

5 minutes ago, Raze said:

They’ve also spent more on homelessness and done more on criminal justice reform than almost anywhere else, and all indications point to it not working.

Clearly not enough. Have they provided enough cheap housing? Jobs?Mental Health assistance? Drug rehab?

That's how you solve such problems.

7 minutes ago, Raze said:

It’s not shallow to point out the obvious.

Usually, the "obvious" is just flat-out wrong.

[Hardkill]

8 minutes ago, Raze said:

They have full democrat leadership for decades, so yes. They’ve also spent more on homelessness and done more on criminal justice reform than almost anywhere else, and all indications point to it not working. It’s not shallow to point out the obvious.

Crime and homelessness has been worse under Republicans because the GOP never actually does anything to solve any problems. They just let it all go without much government intervention. They don't even put their money where their mouths are. The only exceptions to this is that Republicans enjoy harming immigrants, causing endless wars, and torturing foreigners abroad like what happened in Guantanamo Bay.

[Gidiot]

San Fran, Seattle, New York, > Birmingham, Oklahoma City, Louisville

[Raze]

10 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Crime and homelessness has been worse under Republicans because the GOP never actually does anything to solve any problems. They just let it all go without much government intervention. They don't even put their money where their mouths are. The only exceptions to this is that Republicans enjoy harming immigrants, causing endless wars, and torturing foreigners abroad like what happened in Guantanamo Bay.

Republican areas have had lower spikes in homelessness and crime recently, so that’s not true. Current left policies are exacerbating the issue. You’re bringing up completely different topics to deflect, but that doesn’t change the fact democrats are majorly failing in this area and it’s seriously going to hurt them.

10 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

Well, then their "democrat" suck as left policies go. Some would say that the US only has a right-wing party and a slight less right-wing party.

Clearly not enough. Have they provided enough cheap housing? Jobs?Mental Health assistance? Drug rehab?

That's how you solve such problems.

Usually, the "obvious" is just flat-out wrong.

Except in this case, the more progressive the state and policies towards these issues, the worse it gets. 
California has spent over 17 billion on homelessness (that is roughly 40,000 dollars per homeless person) and still has the worst in the country. “Just throw money at it” doesn’t work and is another example of how detached from reality liberal policies are in key areas.

If the obvious is flat out wrong, that includes your suggested solution. That is obvious, and has been tried, and failed.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Raze

[something_else]

4 hours ago, Raze said:

Except in this case, the more progressive the state and policies towards these issues, the worse it gets. 

That's something you need to back up. Just because left leaning states have higher homeless population doesn't mean much. Correlation is not causation. In this case, most big cities in the US are left leaning, and located in left leaning states.

Lots of things play into this that don't make it a simple relationship between 'more progressive = more homeless'.

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by something_else

[Raze]

42 minutes ago, something_else said:

That's something you need to back up. Just because left leaning states have higher homeless population doesn't mean much. Correlation is not causation. In this case, most big cities in the US are left leaning, and in left leaning states.

Lots of things play into this that don't make it a simple relationship between 'more progressive = more homeless'.

 

Yes correlation is not causation, but we can clearly see a direct correlation from “progressive” policies and issues such as this.

regarding homelessness, the DA (now recalled) said he wouldn’t prosecute public camping

https://sfist.com/2019/11/16/boudin-will-not-prosecute-prostitution-public-camping-and-other-quality-of-life-crimes-once-sworn-in/

Now San Francisco is full of public camps and hundreds of homeless people migrate there 

[itsadistraction]

Seems like Republicans try to go more extreme with each election. Remember when George Bush seemed as crazy as Trump?

 The Bulwark podcast, on Leo's blog, has good analysis about the state of conservatives in the US.

Edited August 29, 2023 by itsadistraction

[something_else]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

regarding homelessness, the DA (now recalled) said he wouldn’t prosecute public camping

https://sfist.com/2019/11/16/boudin-will-not-prosecute-prostitution-public-camping-and-other-quality-of-life-crimes-once-sworn-in/

Now San Francisco is full of public camps and hundreds of homeless people migrate there 

So homeless people in right leaning states migrate to left leaning states because they get treated better?

That easily could contribute to the stat that progressive states have more homeless people, but it doesn't mean that those progressive states are actually creating more homeless people.

This is actually a pretty good example of what I said in my last post:

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Lots of things play into this that don't make it a simple relationship between 'more progressive = more homeless'.

 

[Raze]

Just now, something_else said:

So homeless people in right leaning states migrate to left leaning states because they get treated better?

That easily could contribute to the stat that progressive states have more homeless people, but it doesn't mean that those progressive states are actually creating more homeless people.

This is actually a pretty good example of what I said in my last post:

 

That’s not being treated better, that’s removing accountability.