Surrending in Spirituality feels womanesque

[StarStruck]

So my major pitfall in spirituality is that I can't surrender. It feels very womanesque in the sense that something greater than me having its way with me. I know I can't win against the will of god but at the same time I'm not fighting a fight to win; I fight out of principle. I do have to admit I have trust issues and there are people I trust but I don't trust very easily. So surrendering entails I surrender my will to a greater force and I don't know what it wants to do with me. The risks outweigh the possible benefits at this point of my life.

[Sempiternity]

The risks: Letting go of fear and control.

The benefits: Infinite bliss/love, and understanding of literally everything.

[Breakingthewall]

47 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

So surrendering entails I surrender my will

Id say it's quite masculine. something like: I don't care what happens to me. I throw myself into the abyss without expectation, without asking for anything in return, just for the beauty of throwing myself without holding on to anything.

forget about surrendering to a superior being, that is already holding on to something. You have to jump into the void without a parachute.

[StarStruck]

35 minutes ago, itsadistraction said:

Tao Te Ching – Verse 28

Know the male,
yet keep to the female:
receive the world in your arms.
If you receive the world,
the Tao will never leave you
and you will be like a little child.

Know the white,
yet keep to the black:
be a pattern for the world.
If you are a pattern for the world,
the Tao will be strong inside you
and there will be nothing you can’t do.

Know the personal,
yet keep to the impersonal:
accept the world as it is.
If you accept the world,
the Tao will be luminous inside you
and you will return to your primal self.

The world is formed from the void,
like utensils from a block of wood.
The Master knows the utensils,
yet keeps to the the block:
thus she can use all things.

(translation by Stephen Mitchell, 1995)

 

Why did you delete this? Luckily I’m tech savvy. 

 

27 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

The risks: Letting go of fear and control.

The benefits: Infinite bliss/love, and understanding of literally everything.

Hm. Life after enlightenment can still be hard from what I’m reading. You still have to deal with the same old shit. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by StarStruck

[StarStruck]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Id say it's quite masculine. something like: I don't care what happens to me. I throw myself into the abyss without expectation, without asking for anything in return, just for the beauty of throwing myself without holding on to anything.

forget about surrendering to a superior being, that is already holding on to something. You have to jump into the void without a parachute.

How is jumping into a void an equivalent to surrendering?  Perhaps my understanding of surrendering is different to yours. 

If I want to do something that I don’t want like jumping into a void I have to fight my fear otherwise I will not do it. 

 Last week it was public speaking and  I really had to push myself off the edge and just do it. Otherwise I won’t do it. 

My default is surrendering to fear. And that is not the surrendering you are talking about. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by StarStruck

[LSD-Rumi]

Masculinity according to stage red is to fight. 

Masculinity according to higher stages is to let go and not resist.

Stage red perceives letting go as weakness.

True masculinity is not to fear and not to resist.

Edited August 27, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[StarStruck]

3 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

Masculinity according to stage red is to fight. 

Masculinity according to higher stages is to let go and not resist.

Stage red perceives letting go as  weakness. But of course, Letting go is the ultimate form of strength, you become invincible when you don't resist anything.

What would you do if somebody attacked your loved one? Surrender or fight?  I don’t think surrender can be universally seen as power. Context is paramount. I think everything in the universe is love. Both fighting and surrendering are forms of love. Somebody who doesn’t love won’t fight because he doesn’t believe in anything. And all the beautiful things in the world exist because people were willing to fight and die for it. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by StarStruck

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, StarStruck said:

How is jumping into a void an equivalent to surrendering?  

It is to drop the self into nothingness. stop wanting and fearing, even for a few seconds. we are constantly controlling, interpreting, grasping reality. It is all illusion, we are not in control of anything, but the appearance of control allows us to have the illusion of standing on solid ground. It's not real, we're in the infinite now. this is existence existing and the controlling self is an illusion. it is seized, contracted, controlling every second, surrounding every instant with a capsule of mental flow, but this control is only illusory. Surrender is redundant because you're really already surrended. You just have to surrender a lie, the illusion that you control this moment with your mind, and open yourself now to the infinity that this moment is. 

[Leo Gura]

You are God's bitch.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You are God's bitch.

Lol. Go to sleep.

[LSD-Rumi]

9 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

What would you do if somebody attacked your loved one? Surrender or fight?  I don’t think surrender can be universally seen as power. Context is paramount. I think everything in the universe is love. Both fighting and surrendering are forms of love. Somebody who doesn’t love won’t fight because he doesn’t believe in anything. And all the beautiful things in the world exist because people were willing to fight and die for it. 

You see, this is the whole problem. To Surrender according to your subconscious mind is to lose. You need to manipulate the external world or you lose and this is exactly why you perceive letting go as a "weakness".

You shouldn't listen to that barbaric side of your brain. Listen to the more mature and civilized part of your mind.

Jesus will happily let you slab him on the cheek while Andrew Tate will kick your ass. Ironically, Jesus is much stronger than Andrew. But in reality, what happens is Jesus will be kicking your ass while whispering "I love you" in your ear.

Edited August 27, 2023 by LSD-Rumi

[Osaid]

You're not actually surrendering to anything. You're just giving up your ideas about existence. When those go away, you realize, "oh there was nothing to surrender to in the first place."

What exists is what exists. The only thing that could need surrendering is just some idea about something that doesn't exist, otherwise you already have what you want, which is what is real and exists. Tune in with what is real.

[Razard86]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are God's bitch.

He ain't wrong lol. Even Jesus likened the church as a bride. Life/Reality is ridiculously large. Your finite self ain't controlling shit ultimately. It can try to resist and fight truth, but it's too small. Eventually a deep surrender happens. Here is something for you....that surrender is inevitable it's called physical death. So you can die before you die or struggle in vain till the body drops. Up to you.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol. Go to sleep.

Wake up.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Wake up.

Thought I felt a nudge. ?

[Javfly33]

Who told you that you have to 'surrender'?

Surrender is the gold word for those that do not know how to handle and ride the Phenomena of life, of this body, of this system. When you are in that situation, then surrender might be a good solace to get by.

Is like this, if you are being beaten, maybe if you surrender the hits will be less painful, if you don't fight the pain, maybe the pain will be feel less, maybe they will hit you less intensely.

But is that really the best way? Really?

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

 something greater than me having its way with me.

Quote

I know I can't win against the will of god

More crap picked up from spiritual ideologies. 

You did not came up with that yourself alone in your room. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Javfly33

[Hojo]

@StarStruck  instead of a void think of as skydiving

to surrender to the experience is jumping out of the plane.

if you are skydiving are you going to punch the instructor in the face instead of jumping?

you would look and feel like an absolute coward.

you dont fight anyone you just jump and give your life up.

to surrender means to put yourself in gods hands and let go of the grip you have on your perception

we dont feel it right now but we have an actual grip on reality and we are holding it like a tightly closed fist without knowing how we are doing it similar to your heart beating without you doing it.

pretend you are dying right now you can practice and say im going to die now and just let go

and can just keep practising and you are in surrender.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Hojo

[Hero in progress]

@StarStruck

When You accept death, you simultaneously accept all of life

when you accept your terrified and don’t resist, the fear turns into metaphysical love 

when you surrender to God, he shows you that he is you and you are him

and then he shows you that all of life is yours forever 

And then you get on with the rest of your human life because the show must go on...

 

[StarStruck]

Ok. So it is surrendering of falsehood and acceptance of the truth. 

It reminded me of this scene:

I think surrendering doesn’t mean you can’t fight. This is my misunderstanding. Surrendering just means acceptance of the truth.

Surrendering = acceptance 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by StarStruck

[Hojo]

@StarStruck yes and you will have to accept that you are going to die and go into a void so theres the problem. Your logic has to die and this will be the struggle.

the trick logic uses is that its actually real and alive. but its just an infinite loop of nothing. but it will fight tooth and nail to survive cause you created it. buts its nothing and dosent even exist, cause it will cease to exist and something that can cease to exist means its already dead.

once your logic goes...poof you are dead.

but something will catch you. something that has never been born !

this thing will either love you so much if you believe in it or just not be there if you dont

it will still catch you but you wont have its love cause you dont believe in it

Edited August 27, 2023 by Hojo