Would female hookers be less psychologically damaged if prostitution was legalized?

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

The psychological damage doesn't come from where they are performing their acts.

Are you intentionally trying to simplify my argument by making it so literal? Obviously I didn't just mean the location. I meant environment as a holistic term. Knowing that you won't be beaten up contributes to a less damaging work environment. Knowing that you won't be drugged contributes to a less damaging work environment. Knowing that you can refuse services if you do not like the person contributes to a less damaging work environment. Having a contract which specifically state what services you provide, and what compensation you get contributes to a less damaging social environment. Having access to social welfare contributes to a less damaging work environment.

Like you could literally pass a law saying that if you are a brother employing sex workers, then you are obliged to provide them with weekly psychotherapy sessions.

Are you going to say that none of those have a potential to improve person's well being? Work in general can cause a lot of stress, lead to hopelessness, depression, suicide. And that can be true of a regular office job, let a lone prostitution. So of course regulating it can help a lot.

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The reason why I made the gun statement was to show that regulating something doesn't necessarily mean people will use it more responsibly.

Not that it is relevant to our discussion since once again, being a gun is not a profession, but yes it does.

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Regulating prostitution only benefits the respective States as far as taxes are concerned.

Not if it is done properly.

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Not that it is relevant to our discussion since once again, being a gun is not a profession, but yes it does.

It is relevant when you see the correlation, especially in respect to your statement about regulation. We have to broaden our perspectives when we realize there are dots being connected here. A profession is used as a tool to acquire certain things in life. A gun is also a tool used to acquire things. People are using these tools. People have similarities and differences with how they achieve their goals, whatever that is. A prostitute may be selling her body to pay her rent and feed her kids. A hunter may be hunting to pay his rent and feed his kid's. Both have the same agenda using different means in which to achieve their respective goal. 

The regulation of the different tools we use in our society to survive may or may not result in responsible use as everybody has different agendas. 

The regulation of marijuana in Colorado didn't result in everybody using it responsibly, there were still horror stories. Now, you'll probably say what does marijuana have to do with this discussion. I'm using examples of how regulating people's means of survival doesn't equate to responsible use, it pretty much only results in the different respective States getting their share of the revenues from the tools people are using to achieve their goals. Bottomline, regulating prostitution will not make for a better environment only making the regulators profit from it.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Bottomline, regulating prostitution will not make for a better environment only making the regulators profit from it.

You have not addressed any of my actual point and kept talking about guns instead. I guess you are just not interested at considering another point of view...

But since you want to talk about guns so much, lets talk about guns? Why is it that in countries where gun laws are much stricter than in the US there are much less gun crimes? Even in less developed countries, like Russia for example? Why does a shithole like Russia has maybe one school shooting in a couple years while the US they happen basically every week?

Are you going to say that the fact that any idiot can buy an assault rifle in America has nothing to do with it?

Once again, I am not even comparing America to some fancy European country like Switzerland. Russia? America can't do better than Russia? I wonder why. Maybe because in Russia it takes more effort to get a pistol with rubber bullets or a hunting rifle with two shots, than it does in America to buy an RPG...

[Something Funny]

@Princess Arabia but once again, it must have been very convenient for you to not answer any of my actual point and start talking about guns

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

@Princess Arabia but once again, it must have been very convenient for you to not answer any of my actual point and start talking about guns

Sorry my mind doesn't function one way. I tend to see more of the bigger picture.

[Something Funny]

@Princess Arabia I don't mind you seeing the bigger picture as long as it is relevant. But it isn't.

First of all, guns are a bad example. Secondly, regulating guns is a good thing. I don't know why you can't see that.

 

[Princess Arabia]

28 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Princess Arabia I don't mind you seeing the bigger picture as long as it is relevant. But it isn't.

First of all, guns are a bad example. Secondly, regulating guns is a good thing. I don't know why you can't see that.

 

I didn't say regulating guns is a bad thing. People will find a way to commit their crime whether the weapon is regulated or not. Guns aren't the problem. People are. But I do see your point. I don't really get into too much political debates because we all have different agendas and have different perspectives and what might be right for one may not be for another and most people have a hard time looking at things from other's POV's. My view on guns, though is I think the cat is already out the bag and way too many people have access to them for it to be regulated at this point. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Something Funny]

@Princess Arabia hence I said that guns are a bad example...

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

It is relevant when you see the correlation, especially in respect to your statement about regulation. We have to broaden our perspectives when we realize there are dots being connected here. A profession is used as a tool to acquire certain things in life. A gun is also a tool used to acquire things. People are using these tools. People have similarities and differences with how they achieve their goals, whatever that is. A prostitute may be selling her body to pay her rent and feed her kids. A hunter may be hunting to pay his rent and feed his kid's. Both have the same agenda using different means in which to achieve their respective goal. 

The regulation of the different tools we use in our society to survive may or may not result in responsible use as everybody has different agendas. 

The regulation of marijuana in Colorado didn't result in everybody using it responsibly, there were still horror stories. Now, you'll probably say what does marijuana have to do with this discussion. I'm using examples of how regulating people's means of survival doesn't equate to responsible use, it pretty much only results in the different respective States getting their share of the revenues from the tools people are using to achieve their goals. Bottomline, regulating prostitution will not make for a better environment only making the regulators profit from it.

the government doesn't make much of a profit like private businesses do.

Regulation would protect prostitutes from dangerous criminals and would probably make sex work more safe from STDs.

[Princess Arabia]

21 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

the government doesn't make much of a profit like private businesses do.

Regulation would protect prostitutes from dangerous criminals and would probably make sex work more safe from STDs.

Regulating prostitution doesn't regulate how people perform their sex acts. You cannot regulate the act itself; and how people perform these acts, depends on their personal choice and safety measures. People cannot regulate what people do behind closed doors. And also, FYI, prostitutes get less STD's than the average person. I have never gotten an STD in the years I've been doing this, even though my risk factor plays a role in how and what I chose to engage in and the frequency. Keep in mind I'm not referring to sex-trafficking, I'm referring to people who willingly engage in this field. 

Also, if a girl is walking down the street and meets a man who wants to have sex with her and she quotes him a price and they willingly engage, that's prostitution. Whose going to regulate that. Prostitution is everywhere. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Buck Edwards]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Incels, even completely insane, would not rape women.
Their problems are a lack of recognition, not sexual.

Btw, rapists are psychotics with very high libido, very little empathy or sadistic, nothing to do with inceldom.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/22/incels-rape-murder-study/

[Ajax]

On 8/24/2023 at 7:06 PM, Hardkill said:

Legalizing prostitution everywhere would make sex work a lot safer for every woman who does it. So, would that significant reduce the negative psychological impact they have from being a prostitute?

Hell, I'm all for reducing laws. We need to put the lawyers out of business and make laws accessible and easily understandable to anyone. Law reform would be a dream come true. But ATM it is only a pipe dream... A fantasy. What I DON'T want is even MORE laws about prostitution.

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Regulating prostitution doesn't regulate how people perform their sex acts. You cannot regulate the act itself; and how people perform these acts, depends on their personal choice and safety measures. People cannot regulate what people do behind closed doors. And also, FYI, prostitutes get less STD's than the average person. I have never gotten an STD in the years I've been doing this, even though my risk factor plays a role in how and what I chose to engage in and the frequency. Keep in mind I'm not referring to sex-trafficking, I'm referring to people who willingly engage in this field. 

Also, if a girl is walking down the street and meets a man who wants to have sex with her and she quotes him a price and they willingly engage, that's prostitution. Whose going to regulate that. Prostitution is everywhere. 

That's a good question. 

Well, I'd still think that a lot of prostitutes would still rather do their job as a sex worker at a legitimate organization or company, like in the red light district in Amsterdam, that would probably be much safer for them. I would think that women usually don't feel safe just having sex with a man, who is a complete stranger, in some creepy motel or dark alley, even if they got paid for it.

That's good that you haven't ever gotten an STD ever in your life as a sex worker, but what if you weren't so lucky? I thought hookers actually got STDs more than the average person. Do most prostitutes off the street get tested regularly?

https://prevention.ucsf.edu/research-project/sex-workers

However, the the workplace policy in legal brothels, on the other hand, like the one in Amsterdam, are that women behind the windows are tested for STDs regularly as part of their contract with the brothel. Same with porn. 

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

That's a good question. 

Well, I'd still think that a lot of prostitutes would still rather do their job as a sex worker at a legitimate organization or company, like in the red light district in Amsterdam, that would probably be much safer for them. I would think that women usually don't feel safe just having sex with a man, who is a complete stranger, in some creepy motel or dark alley, even if they got paid for it.

That's good that you haven't ever gotten an STD ever in your life as a sex worker, but what if you weren't so lucky? I thought hookers actually got STDs more than the average person. Do most prostitutes off the street get tested regularly?

https://prevention.ucsf.edu/research-project/sex-workers

However, the the workplace policy in legal brothels, on the other hand, like the one in Amsterdam, are that women behind the windows are tested for STDs regularly as part of their contract with the brothel. Same with porn. 

I used an example just to show how complete regulation of prostitution on a whole is impossible. Yes, there are safer environments like brothels, but some women refuse to work in these environments because they take half of their earnings or close to it. The upside is they don't have to go searching for clients, they come to them, so there's a price to pay for that. I agree, going with some strange person to a dark alley or creepy motel is very unsafe, but it still happens. There was an incident that happened about 10yrs ago close to my area where 4 prostitutes were murdered and laid face down facing east by what they assumed was a serial killer. These girls were street hookers and drug addicts, the killer was never caught, or caught for this case. So I do agree that some aspects are dangerous but these particular girls would have never worked in brothels or do it in an organized way as they were only doing it to support their immediate drug habit. 

A lot of the stuff i engage in isn't considered sexually unsafe, and as I have stated in my previous posts, I might have had sex 2-4x in the last 5years doing this and that's probably pushing it as I really can't recall the last time and not to seem as if I'm off limits to that, it's just very, very rare. I don't even kiss these clients, only on the cheek but I do give lots of hugs and physical affection if it's appropriate, so I don't have to get tested for anything. I get more concerned  with a personal partner when I had them in the past more than I am working because you become a little more laxed under those circumstances, but since I have none at the moment, that's not a concern. Idk about other girls in that department, but you're right about the brothels, they get tested once a week. I would never work in a brothel, as you're expected to do things I wouldn't be comfortable doing, especially on a regular basis. There's but so much my body can take.

[Schizophonia]

13 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/22/incels-rape-murder-study/

This is only a handful of people, mainly in the United States. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Schizophonia