Do wealthy intelligent people pursue awakening more?

[Leo Gura]

56 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

What about Tom Cruise and his really moronic take on psychiatry and drugs?

Tom Cruise is a very intelligent and serious guy.

Just because you don't agree with his worldview does not make him dumb.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Tom Cruise is a very intelligent and serious guy.

Just because you don't agree with his worldview does not make him dumb.

Yeah, he takes himself way too seriously and as an actor he has become a one trick pony. He lacks versatility. Not a true method actor like Daniel Day Lewis.

How is saying that all psychiatric medications are bad a very intelligent thing to say when he has absolutely no expertise on that matter and is totally wrong about that? How is him being a true believer in Scientology, which is one of the most fraudulent and dangerous cults in the world, make him brilliant?

Edited August 26, 2023 by Hardkill

[jdc7733]

They take more drugs.

[Lila9]

I tend to believe to the claim in the epistemic philosophy that socially oppressed people, which are usually not wealthy people, by virtue of their social location, tend to have a superior epistemic position than non-oppressed people.

I don't know if wealthy people pursue awakening more, but their epistemic view may be more limited which may negatively impact their spiritual pursuit.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Lila9

[Soul Flight]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

I tend to believe to the claim in the epistemic philosophy that socially oppressed people, which are usually not wealthy people, by virtue of their social location, tend to have a superior epistemic position than non-oppressed people.

I don't know if wealthy people pursue awakening more, but their epistemic view may be more limited which may negatively impact their spiritual pursuit.

Interesting. What is the dynamic there? Oppressed people see the invisible chains on them so they fight to break free from oppression which primes them for a spiritual awakening? Oppressed people can see two worlds (oppressed and non-oppressed) so they can imagine a higher spiritual world as well?

Wealthy people just assume they are at the top of the ladder? Wealthy people are incentivized to believe they are at the top of the ladder?

[Lila9]

3 hours ago, Soul Flight said:

Interesting. What is the dynamic there? Oppressed people see the invisible chains on them so they fight to break free from oppression which primes them for a spiritual awakening? Oppressed people can see two worlds (oppressed and non-oppressed) so they can imagine a higher spiritual world as well?

Wealthy people just assume they are at the top of the ladder? Wealthy people are incentivized to believe they are at the top of the ladder?

I assume that non-oppressed individuals tend to occupy the center of the social matrix, while oppressed individuals find themselves at the margins. The further removed from the center, the broader one's perspective might be as an outsider.

If your mindset is accustomed to observation rather than active participation within the social matrix, you're more likely to uncover unique truths about life, humanity, and various aspects that might remain undiscovered if you were deeply embedded in the social matrix. Being deeply entrenched in the social matrix can be profoundly limiting to spiritual pursuit.

The categories of oppressed and non-oppressed individuals may not be the most precise definitions, as there could be non-oppressed people who possess curiosity and natural observational skills, while some oppressed individuals might be deeply enmeshed in the matrix.

Ultimately, the concept of the social matrix functions as a significant illusion. The deeper one delves into it and benefits from its structure, the less likely they are to recognize it for what it is: an  abstract construct, a social fabrication, a mirage. This clarity often emerges when one stands outside it, and being socially oppressed frequently results in being an inherent outsider.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Lila9

[Ajax]

5 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I tend to believe to the claim in the epistemic philosophy that socially oppressed people, which are usually not wealthy people, by virtue of their social location, tend to have a superior epistemic position than non-oppressed people.

I don't know if wealthy people pursue awakening more, but their epistemic view may be more limited which may negatively impact their spiritual pursuit.

Interesting. It is also that a primary command in life is to survive. However, you and I know such a command of life is simply an apparency. Wealthy people appear quite successful people and those who are "have-nots" are just trying to survive and not die. They are both on the dynamic of survive. The idea that you do not exists is very difficult to confront while also holding one to the survival dynamic. 

This dynamic seems to be a core factor in the social matrix you just mentioned... Aside from oppression-Non oppression... What makes you different, see things differently and from a different perspective, to notice the illusion?

[Razard86]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Tom Cruise is a very intelligent and serious guy.

Just because you don't agree with his worldview does not make him dumb.

There are different types of intelligence. Tom Cruise is one of the smartest people in the world when it comes to playing a character. 

The man could be a spy because he has mastered the art of mimicry. He is also ridiculously charismatic if he ever got into politics he could probably win.

This means Cruise is high in intuitive knowledge of the human psyche and how to express himself in a relatable way to generate specific human emotions. He is actually very dangerous because he knows how to influence masses of people.

https://youtu.be/kYPD6TtFJqU?si=KEXNH7mv-fcG9BGp

Edited August 26, 2023 by Razard86

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

There are different types of intelligence. 

This is precisely correct.  

The question "if a tree falls in the forest with no one around does it make a sound" Should intrigue you.  If you answer quickly, then you don't have that type of intelligence.   It should bother you because Consciousness is fundamental and you need to have a specific intelligence to grasp that Consciousness is fundamental.     You have to know it in your bones before any indoctrination.   That is spiritual intelligence.  

Edited August 27, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is precisely correct.  

The question "if a tree falls in the forest with no one around does it make a sound" Should intrigue you.  If you answer quickly, then you don't have that type of intelligence.   It should bother you because Consciousness is fundamental and you need to have a specific intelligence to grasp that Consciousness is fundamental.     You have to know it in your bones before any indoctrination.   That is spiritual intelligence.  

That's default intelligence. It's the indoctrination that consciousness does to itself that allows it to create different types of intelligence and completely forget that it is consciousness and believe it to be a human. 

Also that example, the answer is yes because the tree is consciousness. The real question is whether the tree can experience sound or did consciousness make trees unaware of sound. 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

That's default intelligence. It's the indoctrination that consciousness does to itself that allows it to create different types of intelligence and completely forget that it is consciousness and believe it to be a human. 

Also that example, the answer is yes because the tree is consciousness. The real question is whether the tree can experience sound or did consciousness make trees unaware of sound. 

Naw it's not.   It takes a certain intelligence to intuit Consciousness is fundamental.   This reality says consciousness is in the brain prior to indoctrination. Do not put a spin on it.  If it were that easy we would all be awake.  .

Edited August 27, 2023 by Inliytened1