Toxic people get more love than normies

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

OP is right but of course it's fine to tell men their observations are wrong. He's correct, there is little to no relationship between morality and raw attraction, being a good person means very little.

That’s not necessarily true, even if it doesn’t relate to attraction it can still be important as comfort is equally as important to getting a result as attraction. 

[Tenebroso]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

Out of curiosity, what is your reason for believing this?

A man's morality is not deciding factor to whether or not he will have a love life. Murderers, abusers, drug dealers, thieves etc all attract women not just broken women as the cliche would have you believe but educated, stable women. The irony of the whole bashing of men struggling to attract women is that if they were as bad and as toxic as they are made out to be they would have zero issues finding a partner. Society will always refuse to face the uncomfortable truth of what triggers attraction in women. Gaslight men all you want but the narrative society paints and the reality we see do not match up at all.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Tenebroso

[Tenebroso]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

That’s not necessarily true, even if it doesn’t relate to attraction it can still be important as comfort is equally as important to getting a result as attraction. 

Comfort means nothing without attraction especially when young. Women have their own money and can cultivate their own stability now, your so called comfort is optional. Technological and social progress has ironically pushed us back to the most primal methods of mating. Attraction and status get you in the door. All that other stuff; comfort, nice personality, kind means nothing until you can actually attract her.

 

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

Comfort means nothing without attraction especially when young. Women have their own money and can cultivate their own stability now, your so called comfort is optional. Technological and social progress has ironically pushed us back to the most primal methods of mating. Attraction and status get you in the door. All that other stuff; comfort, nice personality, kind means nothing until you can actually attract her.

Attraction means nothing if she doesn’t feel comfortable enough around you to be with you.

[Schizophonia]

Because when you insult someone you are polarizing. If I insult the president of my country, I will still attract people who oppose him, even if I am violent.

It doesn't mean you have to be toxic, mean, because otherwise most people will hate you. It's not a question of being nice or mean, you have to express, assert your energy and that will attract people.
This is where you have to have confidence in yourself.

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

A man's morality is not deciding factor to whether or not he will have a love life. Murderers, abusers, drug dealers, thieves etc all attract women not just broken women as the cliche would have you believe but educated, stable women. The irony of the whole bashing of men struggling to attract women is that if they were as bad and as toxic as they are made out to be they would have zero issues finding a partner. Society will always refuse to face the uncomfortable truth of what triggers attraction in women. Gaslight men all you want but the narrative society paints and the reality we see do not match up at all.

Your argument for “a man’s morality not being a defining factor in his attractiveness because criminals have a love life” could be analogous to saying that “a woman’s weight is not a defining factor in her attractiveness because there are overweight girls who have a love life.”

Just because some woman are happy to overlook a man’s morality does not prove that all, or even most, are willing to.

To me, the rest of your post sounds quite baseless and speculative. What actual experiences and proof do you have that morality/comfort/trustworthiness are not important traits for a man’s attractiveness?

I’m not saying whether they are or aren’t, I’m undecided on it. I can see both sides. But you sound very confident so I’m curious to know what you are basing that confidence on.

Edited August 23, 2023 by something_else

[The Redeemer]

6 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

OP is right but of course it's fine to tell men their observations are wrong. He's correct, there is little to no relationship between morality and raw attraction, being a good person means very little.

I wish I wasn't right.

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

Women are my signature haha. It's like walking on a tightrope made of eggshells.