Leo is Wrong About Genetics

[Avidya]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't ignore those factors. Those factors matter, but they assume a decent genetic foundation.

People who hyper-focus on nutrition and exercise are actually people who have great baseline genetics and they fool themselves that it's their nutrition and exercise which gave it to them, when that's not the case. This is a very common point of self-deception within the whole health industry.

A person with bad genetics will never be as healthy as a person with good genetics no matter how good he eats and no matter how bad the healthy person eats.

I'm curious Leo. How do you view the results many ascribe to following JD's work? 
 

I mean there are hundreds of videotestimonials online, and I've even cured a few doing his work. Have you ever thought about going?

There are all kinds of people who've multiple chronic conditions. I mean multiple people with  stage 4 cancer healed. There's a woman who got her thyroid removed, and it grew back after attending one of his events, and there's medical evidence for that.

I mean, science is showing us that genetic expression isn't ultimate, which we can switch on/off(epigenetically), and I think those people are proof of that.

But ultimately it's your experience, and I don't know what you're going through, yet I'm curious if is this something you've considered as part of your reality?

[Danioover9000]

@D2sage

On 2023-08-22 at 6:16 PM, D2sage said:

 

How about you stop stroking his cock every time someone argue against him?

What heat? Are you 12? 

 

 

The environment control the expression of genes. You cant make great health genes out of thin air.

While genetics do play a role, it's not accurate to say that good health is entirely determined by genetics alone.

Both genes and DNA can be influenced by the food you eat and the environment. It can cause changes in gene expression, epigenetic modifications, and mutations in DNA.

Tobacco, heavy metals, pollutions, car fumes and charred foods has shown to bind to DNA and cause mutation.

Genes account for about 10 percent of human disease but the vast majority, the other 90 percent of our risk of disease, is determined by our environment—including modifiable lifestyle behaviors such as our nutrition, stress levels, sleep habits , and physical activity.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/exposome/

   What do you mean stop stroking his cock? What basis do you assume that I'm stroking him every time someone else argues him? Because I see OP and you want to have a heated debate and arguments over genetics and make slight attacks to his health situation, and heated debates are against forum guidelines, so me pointing that you and OP are potentially risking a warning and ban out is me stroking someone's cock? Okay gotcha.

   What do you mean the environment controls genes, and make great health genes out of thin air?

   Where have I said that good health is entirely determined by genetics alone, when I've been saying both genetics, body compositions, and other factors are involved in health?

   How do you know that genes and DNA are only influenced by food and environment? How do you know only foods and environments causes changes in gene expression, epigenetic modifications, and mutations in DNA? Are you a neuroscientist?

   So only tobacco, heavy metals, pollution, car fumes, and charred food are shown to bind to DNA and cause mutation? Nothing else besides your list? Also, can you show me an animation of your list binding to DNA?

   Genes account for just 10% of human diseases? Can you list all those 10% of human diseases only caused by genes? Also, just because it's about 10%, in the minority, that makes it justifiable to say that 90% caused by environments are only to blame, that we solely focus on just environment? 

[Danioover9000]

@Twega

21 hours ago, Twega said:

@Leo Gura  Leo, I don't neccesirly disagree. Yes, health is limited to how "far" our genes can take us. Eventually, we all lose this battle. Certain genes are correlated with longevity

 

However, you ignore other factors (nutrition, exercise) alter gene expression. If you believe genes are important for health than you have to recognize what other factors influence genes

You don't differentiate between genes which determine a specific health outcome and genes which increase the probability of contracting a disease, and it is possible to decrease said risk to baseline normal levels with lifestyle factors (Not my opinion).

You say, "eat according to your genes", other than intolerances and allergies, we all have the same species gene. Sure, some people metabolize caffeine slower, but all of us can drink coffee.. You see what I'm saying? Its not like there are some people who can drink coffee and others don't because of their genetics.

 

And guess what? Some foods can alter gene expression and increase the metabolism of drugs like caffeine. Genes are intertwined with environment, you can't reduce to simply genes.

 

There are genetic disorders that render the body unable to synthesize carnitine, simply supplementing with carnitine resolves this issue; there are so many examples of such cases.

 

Doesn't mean you will be immortal, or your health won't fail. But how can you pinpoint the reason for health failing simply on genes alone? Surely you don't think the body is that simple... I respect you so much but I doubt your ability to discern health outcomes.

 

I also want people to realize this because the majority of you like all of us have some good genes and some bad. And unless you can literally tell me what gene you have thats causing you problems best not assume that....

   So you want the genes that correlate to longevity, because you want to survive much longer? What if you had a terminal disease, but a gene expression that makes you live until your 100s, yet with terminal disease? Wouldn't you want that gene to shorten instead, or turn off and reverse the other gene causing that terminal disease?

   How is @Leo Gura ignoring the other factors makes him inaccurate? This assumes he has much more time, energy, and attention enough to talk about other complicated factors, yet this is false given some of his blog posts and videos of him explaining his health situation, and chronic stress and fatigue caused by his consistency of making videos and Actualized.org content. So you assume he just has enough luxury of time and energy to make more elaborate health points in his video?

[Danioover9000]

@Avidya

3 hours ago, Avidya said:

I'm curious Leo. How do you view the results many ascribe to following JD's work? 
 

I mean there are hundreds of videotestimonials online, and I've even cured a few doing his work. Have you ever thought about going?

There are all kinds of people who've multiple chronic conditions. I mean multiple people with  stage 4 cancer healed. There's a woman who got her thyroid removed, and it grew back after attending one of his events, and there's medical evidence for that.

I mean, science is showing us that genetic expression isn't ultimate, which we can switch on/off(epigenetically), and I think those people are proof of that.

But ultimately it's your experience, and I don't know what you're going through, yet I'm curious if is this something you've considered as part of your reality?

   So, in your view, do you value more personal experiences over second hand knowledge, even though those that report such miraculous healing within Gaynor's workshop are mostly testimonials with little hard evidence?

   If those people are proof that gene expression isn't ultimate via switching on/off through epigenetics, are they the exception to the rule? Are they the exception to the average and many who might not have that degree of healing factor?

   Can you link medical evidence of this person that grew their thyroid back after attending one of her events, and some with stage 4 cancer and other chronic illnesses healed?

   In your perception, what does the healing energy feel like and move like, from you into another's body?

[Princess Arabia]

I'm not going to get into this topic but I just want to say Dr Bruce Lipton, who studies Epigenetics, did say the environment does play a role in the development of genes and that they respond to something in the body as they rely on your emotions and whatnot to develop and communicate with other genes etc. Don't quote me exactly but he speaks about this a lot in his work., and I'm not saying he's right either because I don't know, all I know is I love listening to him.

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Avidya said:

I mean there are hundreds of videotestimonials online, and I've even cured a few doing his work. Have you ever thought about going?

There are all kinds of people who've multiple chronic conditions. I mean multiple people with  stage 4 cancer healed. There's a woman who got her thyroid removed, and it grew back after attending one of his events, and there's medical evidence for that.

It's easy to cherrypick data for these New Age healers. Their work is not scientifically valid. What they do it offer their cures to thousands of people, it works on some and does not work on others. But they just ignore all the people who it fails to work on.

Oldest trick medicine.

Note: I am not saying alternative medicine never works. I am saying it does not work reliably for everyone. It works for some people. So you are gambling.

I have tried plenty of New Age cures which didn't even come close to working. Any New Ager who promises to cure you is bullshitting you and themselves. Their work is not scientifically rigorous.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

@Leo Gura how do you reconcile all of this? from you being God dreaming this moment, to your genetics, to this body, etc etc, it seems completely incomplete. You made a video once depicting selfessness and selfisness as an axis, is health and genetics not tied to this? 

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, bambi said:

@Leo Gura how do you reconcile all of this? from you being God dreaming this moment, to your genetics, to this body, etc etc, it seems completely incomplete.

God does not control anything. God is absolutely whatever it is. God can't change itself, nor does it want to.

It's completely Perfect so there's nothing to change.

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You made a video once depicting selfessness and selfisness as an axis, is health and genetics not tied to this? 

It's possible to destroy your health with bad habits which tend to come from selfish behavior. However, being selfless and spiritual does not mean you will have great health.

Case is point: Look at how selfish Trump is, how badly he eats, how little he exercises, how unconscious he is, and yet his health will always be better than mine no matter what I eat or do. That's genetics. Trump has better health at age 80 than I did at age 35. It's not from my lack of effort. I've just always had weak health and there's nothing I can do about it. This is how health actually works, not the New Age bullshit that's sold on social media.

Haven't you realized yet that the people who sell you good health are actually just coasting off their genetics, like actresses who sell you makeup? You have to be a total fool to believe that it's makeup that makes Jeniffer Aniston look good. No! She has the top 0.1% genetics in the world. Which is why she is paid tens of millions to do makeup ads, to convince fools with bad genetics that they can be like her. It's a con game. The health industry works the same way. The people selling you these things are so self-deceived they don't even realize what they are doing.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

@Leo Gura I both feel your pain and understand your point. wdym by God can't change itself?

 

Its complex isnt it, as theres a ton of confluencing factors, out of interest, how hard or scary would it be for you to give up your intellect and genius etc? would you trade it for health?

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, bambi said:

@Leo Gura wdym by God can't change itself?

Reality is what it is. It cannot change. For example you may want God to improve your health but God will not change itself to suit your wishes.

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Its complex isnt it, as theres a ton of confluencing factors

Yes, it's insanely complex.

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out of interest, how hard or scary would it be for you to give up your intellect and genius etc? would you trade it for health?

It would be hard, and my health has hindered my intelligence too, so I have suffered from that.

I would not trade.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Reality is what it is. It cannot change. For example you may want God to improve your health but God will not change itself to suit your wishes.

Yes, it's insanely complex.

It would be hard, and my health has hindered my intelligence too, so I have suffered from that.

I would not trade my understanding for health.

Yeah gotcha, Ive been struggling for years with chronic illness, specifically related to orgasm and sexaulity, I used to medicate myself with orgasm since like 12 due to harsh environemnt. My brother was the same too actually we grew up in a toxic household. I found an amiga commodore when young and got into internet, learning/coding, and then used it for pornography that I would burn on to CDs and give to brother and friends at school ha. Both me and my bro have been chronically ill for a few years (age 35),  we both used orgasm and porn and girls and money as a means to escape and are now trying the following:

 

Peptides

Peptide bio regulators

Diet and data like: https://protocol.bryanjohnson.co/

Stem cells

 

I found myself studying isolated and alone and doing tons of silent meditation retreats, but things are improving with the above, have you looked into any of them?

 

[sholomar]

Leo's right on this one. Good health is around 50% genetics, 25% diet, and 25% lifestyle. The obesity problem is less genetic and more the fact we simply eat more calories, otherwise everyone 100 years ago would have been as obese as we are now.  Foods today are more addictive because of unlimited access and variety.

I happen to disagree with vegans because some people react negatively to eating lots of plant material. There's definitely a genetic component that creates differences in dietary requirements and optimal foods to consume. Consider this article...

https://nautil.us/fruits-and-vegetables-are-trying-to-kill-you-234982/

For people prone to allergies or other autoimmune issues, meat is probably the least reactive food group they could consume. That said, I can eat basically anything with no allergies. I eat lots of meat and vegetables.

The lifestyle argument comes from people not exercising and sitting for long periods of time. The way genetics works is if you don't use it, you lose it. People who don't ever exercise (in moderation) will see their body give out on them sooner as they age, or find it easier to say break a bone from a fall. The same argument is made not exposing the immune system to pathogens, which is why I get vaccines... they work out the immune system without actually having to get sick. OTOH, I don't live in a sterile bubble... I expose myself to undercooked food and other common sense stresses for my immune system.

Edited August 25, 2023 by sholomar

[Leo Gura]

@bambi Don't get me wrong, it can be possible to improve your health. There's just not guarantees you can solve all your issues. Some you may have to accept and live with.

As an example, I did seem to improve my health with heavy metal detox.

I have not tried those things you mention because they are not relevant to my health issues.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

Obesity is def not genetic. It's nearly impossible to be obese if you eat whole meat and veggies without carbs or sugar. The reason people are obese is because they eat heavy carbs, grains, sugar and processed foods.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leo Gura

[D2sage]

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/science/gene-env/index.cfm#:~:text=Metabolism - Researchers in the NIEHS,aging at the genetic level.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/exposome/

@Danioover9000

I know this because I read scientific data done in labs with relevant instruments.

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One of the promises of the human genome project was that it could revolutionize our understanding of the underlying causes of disease and aid in the development of preventions and cures for more diseases. However, genetics has been found to account for only about 10% of diseases, and the remaining causes appear to be from environmental causes

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Molecules damaged by environmental exposures like ultraviolet light or certain chemicals are incorporated into DNA, triggering cell death that may lead to cancer, diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular and lung disease, and Alzheimer’s disease.

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High levels of air pollution increase the risk for autism in children with a genetic variant called MET, which is involved in brain development. 1 This genetic variant did not increase the risk for the 75% of the population exposed to lower levels of air pollution, suggesting that autism may be caused by an interaction of genetic and environmental factors.

Seems like the environment plays a huge role here.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You have to be a total fool to believe that it's makeup that makes Jeniffer Aniston look good.

She have said that she have done Botox, fillers and a nose job. Yes, she look good even without but still.

Aniston said she opted for botox and fillers after reaching a point where she didn’t “feel like me.”

Edited August 25, 2023 by D2sage

[Hello from Russia]

I feel like environmental factors play much bigger role than we think societaly

Mainly pollution. This stuff has such invisible/not so noticeable influence on us it's really hard to pin down, but it seems to be affecting us drastically

But even without pollution, just the homes we are living. I've suffered so much simply from the fact that I was living in a room with bad ventillation for so many years. It was mainly due to the balcony, air just refused to enter my room because of it

Materials of the house also seem to play such important role. Concrete seems to be such a hazardous material for us, despite its great insulation properties. The best sleep I've ever had was living in a wooden slum for 3 days, and to me it means a lot

There is also stuff like wi-fi. Yeah, they say it's safe, but I find it hard to believe it's healthy to live in a big house with 1000s of apparments and in every appartment there is a wi-fi router and also each person has a phone that emmits signal too.... I found how I feel to improve quite a bit after I shut down my home wifi completely (I plug internet directly to the computer) and there are probably 10s and 100s like this in our modern worls we are currently not aware of

Edited August 25, 2023 by Hello from Russia

[sholomar]

5 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

I feel like environmental factors play much bigger role than we think societaly

Mainly pollution. And this stuff has such invisible/not so noticeable influence on us it's really hard to pin down, but it seems to be dreastic

But even without pollution, just the homes we are living. I've suffered so much simply from the fact that I was living in a room with bad ventillation for so many years (mainly due to the balcony).

Materials of the house also seem to play such important role. Concrete seems to be such a hazardous material for us, despite its great insulation properties. The best sleep I've ever had was living in a wooden slum for 3 days, and to me it means a lot

There is also stuff like wi-fi. Yeah, they say it's safe, but I find it hard to believe it's healthy to live in a big house with 1000s of apparments and in every appartment there is a wi-fi router and also each person has a phone that emmits signal too.... I found how I feel to improve quite a bit after I shut down my home wifi completely (I plug internet directly to the computer) and there are probably 10s and 100s like this in our modern worls we are currently not aware of...

I feel humans are burning themselves out from over-stimulation... sympathetic dominant nervous system. This includes sitting around and watching TV all day, playing video games, or in general staring at a screen, which might seem relaxing, but it's actually not.

There's also increased stress levels from being programmed by all the narratives peddled by social media and our leaders. Garbage inputs tend to create garbage outputs. The goal of personal development as preached by authors like Eckhart Tolle and David Hawkins is to deprogram negative belief systems, or as David Hawkins says in his books, remove the clouds so the sun can naturally shine. The more negative programs you hold, the more belief systems you have that limit you, the less peace of mind you can naturally have.

Edited August 25, 2023 by sholomar

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, D2sage said:

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/science/gene-env/index.cfm#:~:text=Metabolism - Researchers in the NIEHS,aging at the genetic level.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/exposome/

Seems like the environment plays a huge role here.

Of course it does, but much of this is out of your control. You can't remove air polution from your city for example nor the toxins in your food. Some people's genetics allow them to tolerant toxins a lot better than others. So I still consider this a genetic issue. Epigentics is still genetics.

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She have said that she have done Botox, fillers and a nose job. Yes, she look good even without but still.

Aniston said she opted for botox and fillers after reaching a point where she didn’t “feel like me.”

She's getting old now so that's expected.

But also notice, plastic surgery is NOT makeup. She uses her plastic surgery to sell you makeup.

Yes, of course surgery is effective. No one denies that. In a sense surgery is a way to cheat-change your genetics. Which is why it's so effective. If I got surgery to replace half my organs I could probably fix most of my health problems.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gurawhy don't you do it ? 

 

[D2sage]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

much of this is out of your control. You can't remove air polution from your city for example nor the toxins in your food.

But you can remove yourself from that city. 

I also used to live in a big city, not as big as Vegas, and noticed a huge health improvement by living near the coast in a small town on a Spanish island. Noise pollution is also serious matter. 

Maybe you should at least try a vacation on an Island for at least 3 months and you will, and I hope, that you will feel much better.

There must be a reason people who live near the sea enjoy better health. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by D2sage