Rationalists and skeptics are cultists too.

[Danioover9000]

   Take this video for example:

   While the YouTuber is passing judgments onto this scam situation between the coach and fighter, notice the hypocrisy of his position, that he also simultaneously denies he himself is also a cult of the debunking skeptics as well, based on general ignorance of developmental factors. While I partly agree that most should watch out for scammers and cons on almost every human field, even in MMA and fake martial arts, I highly disagree that the rationalist and skeptic position isn't also a cult in and of itself, even going as far as throwing the baby out with the bath water. By judging and demonizing this guy as a self help guru conman, he slanders that field and it's potential of actually helping people, thereby influencing and manipulating the general public that isn't as well informed of self help to not take self help seriously and personal development seriously, which creates problems and maintains problems of people in a cognitive, psychological and moral standpoint, hindering their personal development. Sometimes in the long run the skeptics themselves are the worst for most people, all they do is judge and be in this hubris thinking they're right, when in fact they are mostly wrong, and pass on their ideological thinking. Skepticism gone wrong, especially considering the far reach of these types in society and in politics and in current events of other fields, yet most people take them seriously because they can make appeals of ethos, pathos and logos, and string together fallacies to make themselves look great and above the very skepticism and critique they do onto others. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Danioover9000

[sholomar]

There's no doubt about it. Any sufficiently large group of people that start to have groupthink, form echo chambers, and believe themselves to be right or superior to others could be classified as a cult.  They become then dangerous if they try to oppress the rights of others because they believe their philosophy to be superior, so they seek to spread it and assimilate others. As for humans being hypocrites, almost all humans are. I catch myself being one, and I'm not one to let my own bullshit go unchecked.

Partly though it's just people being addicted to drama. That seems to be wired into our species. Doesn't matter if it's ideas, events, or people, drama is still drama. Maybe you think you are fighting for what is right, and maybe you are, but it's important to pick your battles also. It's good for people to behavior check each other in moderation if necessary, but not get caught up in drama for the sake of drama.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=linus+tech+tips+drama

The important thing to remember about "social media" is that they push sensationalist topics and drama to get clicks and subscribers, so I wouldn't get too worked up about any one content creator.. you always have to sift through the piles of fluff to get at the nuggets of truth. Sometimes it's hard to know what to believe at times, especially since youtube got rid of the "dislike" count on videos,  but given human nature it's easy to make an educated guess. Any time you can stir up justified anger in response to some event, that's right up the ego's alley. That's why "Darius M" is more popular than "Corey Wayne" as an example I have used in the past. I'm more careful with what I consume lately... garbage inputs equal garbage outputs, and all that. 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by sholomar

[Danioover9000]

@sholomar

7 hours ago, sholomar said:

There's no doubt about it. Any sufficiently large group of people that start to have groupthink, form echo chambers, and believe themselves to be right or superior to others could be classified as a cult.  They become then dangerous if they try to oppress the rights of others because they believe their philosophy to be superior, so they seek to spread it and assimilate others. As for humans being hypocrites, almost all humans are. I catch myself being one, and I'm not one to let my own bullshit go unchecked.

Partly though it's just people being addicted to drama. That seems to be wired into our species. Doesn't matter if it's ideas, events, or people, drama is still drama. Maybe you think you are fighting for what is right, and maybe you are, but it's important to pick your battles also. It's good for people to behavior check each other in moderation if necessary, but not get caught up in drama for the sake of drama.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=linus+tech+tips+drama

The important thing to remember about "social media" is that they push sensationalist topics and drama to get clicks and subscribers, so I wouldn't get too worked up about any one content creator.. you always have to sift through the piles of fluff to get at the nuggets of truth. Sometimes it's hard to know what to believe at times, especially since youtube got rid of the "dislike" count on videos,  but given human nature it's easy to make an educated guess. Any time you can stir up justified anger in response to some event, that's right up the ego's alley. That's why "Darius M" is more popular than "Corey Wayne" as an example I have used in the past. I'm more careful with what I consume lately... garbage inputs equal garbage outputs, and all that. 

 

 

 

   I generally agree. Even this podcast here is decent, don't like the fanbase or following, too ideological, but still okay even if these men are generally ignorant of developmental factors:

   Obviously, I'm biased and preferential here, had bad experiences with atheists and skeptics when I had my haunting experience and needed help when their help was just inadequate. Didn't go into full detail, omitted parts in that thread I did before, but those experiences were enough that despite my protectant background and Christian background, experiencing different spiritual techniques to help me, even being part rationalist, I don't like those communities because they don't feel like good communities to begin with, if that makes any sense? Too judgmental and this superiority complex that is obnoxious to me. I'm using this martial arts example, there are so many out there.