You are what your deep, driving desire is.

[tuku747]

You are what your deep, driving desire is.

As your desire is, so is your will.

As your will is, so is your deed.

As your deed is, so is your destiny.

[ZzzleepingBear]

What about depression? 

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, ZzzleepingBear said:

What about depression? 

at an absolute level everything is perfect because everything is exactly like reality, that is, you, want it, including the fact that it seems that you want the exact opposite of what is happening. really the human you that is depressed is the same unlimited impersonal you that is reality, only veiled / limited by the appearance of the relative, the illusion. from the veiled self it is impossible to understand that being depressed and having your parents throw you into a dump to have fun watching the rats devour you is perfection, but it is

[ZzzleepingBear]

@Breakingthewall sure. But how would your desire be a expression of who you really are from a depressed state?

You can talk all you want about how everything is one and perfect. But then what even is perfection suppose to mean if everything is already perfect, despite the experienced flaws in life.

I could say that everything is tomato in the end, your human self just don't grasp this profound truth that everything is tomato.

You see the problem with this kind of thinking?

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, ZzzleepingBear said:

But then what even is perfection suppose to mean if everything is already perfect

perfect means you are infinite and that is perfect by definition. the reality is that you are infinite now, you are limitless depth, appearing as what is happening now, and this apparent now is your will. You will never die, you will always be this apparent now, and you will always be the same, because if you stopped being you and were me, you would never have existed as you, only the me, now, exists. funny mindfuck right? that means solipsism. only you exist, and only the apparent actual manifestation now exists. The rest is just conceptual, an idea. So the others I see on the street don't have life?  they have, they are you, sure, everything is. but not now, now, only you exist, and only the now exist ?, and now the real you, the total existence, wants exactly this experience. simple, logical, unavoidable 

Btw, thinking in this is to try to trap the infinity in the finite mind, it's sick and it's better don't do. Imo the only point of spirituality is to open yourself to the infinity, now, as much as you can, as often as you can, and forget about conceptualize

Edited August 15, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[ZzzleepingBear]

@Breakingthewall Ok sure. But if you had broken your neck and was rushed to the  hospital. You wouldn't like to hear from the doctor there that everything is perfect as it is. And send you home with a namaste.. Right?

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, ZzzleepingBear said:

@Breakingthewall Ok sure. But if you had broken your neck and was rushed to the  hospital. You wouldn't like to hear from the doctor there that everything is perfect as it is. And send you home with a namaste.. Right?

of course, you can only realize perfection from unlimited or near unlimited states. when the thing goes tough, your state is anything but unlimited, survival kicks in and traps you, and from limited states thinking things like "everything is perfect" is woo woo and if someone else tells you it deserves a kick in the balls. You can only see it now, becoming limitless, not thinking about it

Edited August 15, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[ZzzleepingBear]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

of course, you can only realize perfection from unlimited or near unlimited states. when the thing goes tough, your state is anything but unlimited, survival kicks in and traps you, and from limited states thinking things like "everything is perfect" is woo woo and if someone else tells you it deserves a kick in the balls. You can only see it now, becoming limitless, not thinking about it

Yeah that sounds a bit more reasonable I'd say. 

[tuku747]

55 minutes ago, ZzzleepingBear said:

@Breakingthewall sure. But how would your desire be a expression of who you really are from a depressed state?

You can talk all you want about how everything is one and perfect. But then what even is perfection suppose to mean if everything is already perfect, despite the experienced flaws in life.

I could say that everything is tomato in the end, your human self just don't grasp this profound truth that everything is tomato.

You see the problem with this kind of thinking?

 

 

I see no problem here.

[ZzzleepingBear]

@tuku747 Haha sweet!

[Hojo]

@ZzzleepingBear once you realize that the world is empty you will see you are just in a bubble of its own depression. There are no forces from reality pushing you down you are just pushing yourself down. You feel evil forces from outside you constantly and there is no way to over power them but there are no force's to overpower only to surrender to them cause they are your own.

Depression is completely self created by a being that dosent know what it is.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

Your posts always hit so deep

[Inliytened1]

12 hours ago, tuku747 said:

You are what your deep, driving desire is.

As your desire is, so is your will.

As your will is, so is your deed.

As your deed is, so is your destiny.

Oneness. 

[hyruga]

15 hours ago, tuku747 said:

You are what your deep, driving desire is.

As your desire is, so is your will.

As your will is, so is your deed.

As your deed is, so is your destiny.

But what if you cannot attain your deep, driving desire. 

You fell into depression or do you focus on the next 2nd best desire?

[Breakingthewall]

17 hours ago, Hojo said:

Depression is completely self created by a being that dosent know what it is.

depression is a structure, a pattern of existence that is happening, the same as an electron or a supernova.

on a human level, it's undesirable shit, the same as many other things, but on an absolute level it's perfection, like everything else.

on a human level it is an energetic vibration that does not flow, that gets stuck in dead ends, something that cries out to be repaired. everything that cries out to be repaired is the engine of change, that is, the engine of evolution.

[tuku747]

On 8/16/2023 at 2:42 AM, hyruga said:

But what if you cannot attain your deep, driving desire. 

You are your deep driving desire.

[hyruga]

1 hour ago, tuku747 said:

You are your deep driving desire.

Yeah I actually knew you are going to say that. 

Oh well

I am going to contemplate on that anyway