Is Leo an Experientialist?

[integral]

Was looking at Epistemological paradigms and was trying to place Leos.

Its not Empiricism

Its not Rationalism

Its not Deconstructionism?

So is it Experientialism?

[Breakingthewall]

I would say: understandism. Leo does not seek mystical states for their beauty or freedom. seeks to understand and translate them into conceptual language. He does not seem that he seeks to help others to achieve mystical states, but rather that he seeks an audience to which to transmit what he has understood. that is his business, although perhaps now he completely changes his attitude and becomes a teacher, since he is preparing a course

Edited August 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[r0ckyreed]

Leo is definitely an empiricist. He thinks our perceptions are absolute truth. He thinks rationality cannot be trusted but our senses can. At least that was his view when I talked to him about the veil of perception.

[integral]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Leo does not seek mystical states for their beauty or freedom. seeks to understand and translate them into conceptual language.

Experientialism: a philosophical theory that experience is the source of all knowledge.

In that sense, direct experience is the only Truth

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, integral said:

Experientialism: a philosophical theory that experience is the source of all knowledge.

In that sense, direct experience is the only Truth

Yeah, you are right, I diverted to something else: in a purely mystical sense, experience is the only truth, that is, experience cannot be explained, or transmitted, you can only teach others to have that experience, which is the truth, not tell them the Truth, nor tell yourself the truth or translate it into words, just experience. But maybe he does both 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[integral]

@r0ckyreed ChatGPT

Empiricism vs Experientialism

"Empiricism" and "experientialism" are related concepts that both emphasize the role of experience in acquiring knowledge, but they are often used in slightly different contexts. Let's compare the two:

Empiricism:

Empiricism is a philosophical approach that asserts that knowledge primarily comes from sensory experience and observation. Empiricists argue that our understanding of the world is built upon what we can see, hear, touch, taste, and smell. Empiricism is often associated with the scientific method, as it values evidence-based reasoning and experimentation.

Key Points of Empiricism:

• Knowledge is derived from sensory experience and observation.
• Empirical evidence, gained through the senses, is crucial for forming beliefs.
• Emphasizes a scientific and systematic approach to understanding the world.
• Rejects the idea of innate knowledge or ideas that exist independently of experience.

Experientialism:

Experientialism is a broader term that encompasses the idea that personal experiences play a significant role in shaping one's understanding, beliefs, and perspectives. While it shares similarities with empiricism, experientialism extends beyond the strict reliance on sensory experiences to include a wider range of personal encounters and reflections.

Key Points of Experientialism:

• Acknowledges the importance of personal experiences in shaping knowledge and understanding.
• Includes a wider spectrum of experiences beyond just sensory perception, such as emotional, psychological, and introspective experiences.
• Encourages learning through direct engagement, experimentation, and personal involvement.
• May incorporate subjective and qualitative aspects of experience that go beyond empirical data.

In summary, while empiricism specifically focuses on knowledge gained through sensory experience and observation, experientialism encompasses a broader range of personal experiences, including emotional, psychological, and introspective aspects. Empiricism is often associated with the scientific method and a more objective approach, whereas experientialism is open to considering a wider array of subjective experiences as valid sources of insight and understanding.

Edited August 14, 2023 by integral

[integral]

Based on the above Experientialism is like a Trans-rational-Empiricism

Transrationalism is probably a thing. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by integral

[Buck Edwards]

I don't think he is. He is a hyper rationalist though. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Buck Edwards

[Razard86]

10 hours ago, integral said:

@r0ckyreed ChatGPT

Empiricism vs Experientialism

"Empiricism" and "experientialism" are related concepts that both emphasize the role of experience in acquiring knowledge, but they are often used in slightly different contexts. Let's compare the two:

Empiricism:

Empiricism is a philosophical approach that asserts that knowledge primarily comes from sensory experience and observation. Empiricists argue that our understanding of the world is built upon what we can see, hear, touch, taste, and smell. Empiricism is often associated with the scientific method, as it values evidence-based reasoning and experimentation.

Key Points of Empiricism:

• Knowledge is derived from sensory experience and observation.
• Empirical evidence, gained through the senses, is crucial for forming beliefs.
• Emphasizes a scientific and systematic approach to understanding the world.
• Rejects the idea of innate knowledge or ideas that exist independently of experience.

Experientialism:

Experientialism is a broader term that encompasses the idea that personal experiences play a significant role in shaping one's understanding, beliefs, and perspectives. While it shares similarities with empiricism, experientialism extends beyond the strict reliance on sensory experiences to include a wider range of personal encounters and reflections.

Key Points of Experientialism:

• Acknowledges the importance of personal experiences in shaping knowledge and understanding.
• Includes a wider spectrum of experiences beyond just sensory perception, such as emotional, psychological, and introspective experiences.
• Encourages learning through direct engagement, experimentation, and personal involvement.
• May incorporate subjective and qualitative aspects of experience that go beyond empirical data.

In summary, while empiricism specifically focuses on knowledge gained through sensory experience and observation, experientialism encompasses a broader range of personal experiences, including emotional, psychological, and introspective aspects. Empiricism is often associated with the scientific method and a more objective approach, whereas experientialism is open to considering a wider array of subjective experiences as valid sources of insight and understanding.

This does not make sense. There is ONLY experience. You cannot say it primarily comes, that is a lie. There is ONLY EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE IS ABSOLUTE. Anything you know....has ONLY BEEN KNOWN IN EXPERIENCE. Primarily is an inaccurate term. 

Also both houses of thought are just logical games made to complicate something simple. The Truth is everything is ONE EXISTENCE. That's it. Anything outside of that is logical games. I like logical games and play them myself but everything always goes back to....you can not KNOW ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF EXPERIENCE.

[Schizophonia]

54 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

you can not KNOW ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF EXPERIENCE.

Yes, but that does not contradict the existence of an objective reality

[Javfly33]

 

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

This does not make sense. There is ONLY experience. You cannot say it primarily comes, that is a lie. There is ONLY EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE IS ABSOLUTE. Anything you know....has ONLY BEEN KNOWN IN EXPERIENCE. Primarily is an inaccurate term. 

Also both houses of thought are just logical games made to complicate something simple. The Truth is everything is ONE EXISTENCE. That's it. Anything outside of that is logical games. I like logical games and play them myself but everything always goes back to....you can not KNOW ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF EXPERIENCE.

@Raza Zaveri No, this is wrong.

You are basically limiting everything to your 5 Senses. 

5 senses are fine for survival but won't get you to the beyond.

You are right there is Only One Existence ?? 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Javfly33

[Inliytened1]

On 8/14/2023 at 4:37 PM, integral said:

Was looking at Epistemological paradigms and was trying to place Leos.

Its not Empiricism

Its not Rationalism

Its not Deconstructionism?

So is it Experientialism?

He's simply an Idealist.  It Just means everything is mind.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Inliytened1

[SOUL]

I thought he was an alien insanitist...silly me.

[r0ckyreed]

On 8/14/2023 at 5:31 PM, integral said:

@r0ckyreed ChatGPT

Empiricism vs Experientialism

"Empiricism" and "experientialism" are related concepts that both emphasize the role of experience in acquiring knowledge, but they are often used in slightly different contexts. Let's compare the two:

Empiricism:

Empiricism is a philosophical approach that asserts that knowledge primarily comes from sensory experience and observation. Empiricists argue that our understanding of the world is built upon what we can see, hear, touch, taste, and smell. Empiricism is often associated with the scientific method, as it values evidence-based reasoning and experimentation.

Key Points of Empiricism:

• Knowledge is derived from sensory experience and observation.
• Empirical evidence, gained through the senses, is crucial for forming beliefs.
• Emphasizes a scientific and systematic approach to understanding the world.
• Rejects the idea of innate knowledge or ideas that exist independently of experience.

Experientialism:

Experientialism is a broader term that encompasses the idea that personal experiences play a significant role in shaping one's understanding, beliefs, and perspectives. While it shares similarities with empiricism, experientialism extends beyond the strict reliance on sensory experiences to include a wider range of personal encounters and reflections.

Key Points of Experientialism:

• Acknowledges the importance of personal experiences in shaping knowledge and understanding.
• Includes a wider spectrum of experiences beyond just sensory perception, such as emotional, psychological, and introspective experiences.
• Encourages learning through direct engagement, experimentation, and personal involvement.
• May incorporate subjective and qualitative aspects of experience that go beyond empirical data.

In summary, while empiricism specifically focuses on knowledge gained through sensory experience and observation, experientialism encompasses a broader range of personal experiences, including emotional, psychological, and introspective aspects. Empiricism is often associated with the scientific method and a more objective approach, whereas experientialism is open to considering a wider array of subjective experiences as valid sources of insight and understanding.

I would agree with that analysis then.

[Breakingthewall]

He is an investigator of reality. he has realized that he is the reality, and investigates himself. his research has no end, he is like an entomologist who is dedicated to classifying insects in an infinite jungle

[Breakingthewall]

but that is not enlightenment. enlightenment is something that happens.

the drop falls.... tak!.... and infinity is.