No 5Meo-Malt in the Past. So No Infinity Realizations?

[Rafael Thundercat]

So, First, Although you will contest the in Absolute and Actuality Past is just a dream I am speculating existed, lets be in the Relative and Consider people in the past as old actualizations of the same consciousness. So, if this past actualizations had no Access to 5Meo, does it mean that we can hardly assume any one had deep realizations of Infinity as one can today have if one use properly 5Meo rectaly and knowing exactly what he or she is looking for? If this is true so this is the first time in history that such levels of Awakening is possible if is not true How or by what other ways could one acess the same levels of deep Awakening when this substance was not available yet? 

Also lets consider that if consciousness is able to imagine a figment of consciousness as 5Meo in one planet it is able to imagine it in any other planet or any other solipsistic bubbles, not just humans. Who knows what kinds of substances other creatures have available to reach breakthrougths.

 

[blackchair]

excellent question! what happened with the consciousness before "holy" drug....

[Rafael Thundercat]

Just now, blackchair said:

excellent question! what happened with the consciousness before "holy" drug....

Yes, all the Zen masters,Buddhas,Ramanamas yadayada. All bullshiters? If not it means that the same one can reach with 5Meo one can reach by other ways. Even if 5Meo is a only and special new way, if this new way can extrapolate the Awakening possibility in levels never ever imagined, so we better forget even listening to the old veterans or even the alive ones that try hard by other means that not 5Meo.

[OBEler]

This exact question I ask me too, Thanks for creating this thread. 

People will have their Tools with heroic doses of combination of substances to reach infinity. Even with lsd it's possible. But I think it will not be so clear and smooth like malt 

[Yimpa]

13 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Yes, all the Zen masters,Buddhas,Ramanamas yadayada. All bullshiters? If not it means that the same one can reach with 5Meo one can reach by other ways. Even if 5Meo is a only and special new way, if this new way can extrapolate the Awakening possibility in levels never ever imagined, so we better forget even listening to the old veterans or even the alive ones that try hard by other means that not 5Meo.

You need to realize that you’re imagining all spiritual teachers (yes, even Leo Gura), and you’re imagining all psychedelics as well.

Of course the answer is “God is imagining all of it”, but are you aware of that right now? Hint: if you’re not, then I’m also not!

Edited August 9, 2023 by Yimpa

[Rafael Thundercat]

Just now, Yimpa said:

You need to realize that you’re imagining all spiritual teachers (yes, even Leo Gura), and you’re imagining all psychedelics as well.

Of course the answer is “God is imagining all of it”, but are you aware of that right now?

So ,if Infinity in its Infinite imagination,unbouded by any human impossibily was able to imagine masters,Leo,Actualized channel, The actual 5Meo powder, and actual ass to pull 5 inside and so on... why in its Infinity power it would not be able to imagine more infinite ways to go full circle and realize its own self made trickery of fooling itself that it is not Infinity fooling itself into human form?

Why it would limit its own Full Realization by imagin a single super powerfull substance instead of infinite substances or even things that you dont necessarialy stick up into your ass? 

If God can Imagine 5Meo it can Imagine Malt and it can imagine more and more... can it imagine even Realization with no need of 5Meo? Otherwise 5Meo would stand as the limit of what God could imagine for jailbraking its own selfimposed fooling game.

Who to say 5Meo is the limit? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

I also want to point out the point the Leo said once about everyone being a "instantiation held on consciousness" . So when I ask or bring up the possibility of Infinite Mind of imagining infinite ways of going around and discover that it is actually looking up for its own ass or its own self origination I am at same time raising the question: As every instatiation is solipsistic locked in its own specific reality it also can be affected differently by different substances in different levels. Example: I can drink big amounts of Peyote and San Pedro and Mushrooms. 10 cups of 50ml of Sao Pedro and I am still good to work, high as fuck but sober, Mushrooms +Thc cookies and same. For others the amount I use is crazy, they fall face down. And as Leo said and many proved, even 5Meo dont make effect in some "instantiations" So this is proof enough  that Infinity is not fool and being fool proof it had imagined more ways to Awaken than just 5Meo. I say this to clear out this bias some have that they only will awake with 5. What if your instantiation need Ayahuasca, to go slowly, or Salvia, or Peyote or (....add infinite ways of Awakening)

If I was God I would not limit mylittle self to a single substance to Awaken to my own Infinite Selflessness, I would imagine infinite doors to get more chances to delimit the limitations I created to my Self, I would create infinte tools inside myself to explore more or myself, among this tools A Frog in the desert for Sure, but also,Plants,Fish poisons,or some other poison that would not kill the host but kill the illusions.

[How to be wise]

As Ram Dass used to say, you don’t need a bus to Detroit if you’re already in Detroit.

[Yimpa]

18 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Who to say 5Meo is the limit? 

You.

[Breakingthewall]

Traditionally, especially in the East, there have always been people who sought mystical states. Buddhism is an example. If Buddha had access to psychedelics, wouldn't he have used them? I would say that if the ancients were willing to go to a forest or a cave alone and without food for as long as it took, to sleep on a bed of nails, to fast for 20 days, they were willing to do anything.

Today it is a tiny minority that even contemplates the possibility that mystical realizations are a possibility. 99% of people interested in psychedelics, which is increasing, seek to heal trauma, improve their lives. Let's see in actualized.org. Everyone here believes that mysticism is real, they understand Leo's ideas, they know that reality is endless depth. how many do 5meo in high dose? the 2%? Imagine the general population.

but I think this is going to change. on the planet there are people with a true inclination to open up completely to the truth, and these people are going to discover what the way is, and the way needs psychedelics. or a crazy discipline and a crazy perseverance, that for them to occur simultaneously with the mystical inclination in the same person (see sellinwaterintheriver for example) all the planets have to align. now that is not necessary. just to want it is enough.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

Is because 5-meo or any substance is not awakening. 

Substances induced states are still within the dream