When direct experience is underestimated.

[Danioover9000]

   Great example of when a person's ideology and ignorance gets into society, politics, governance on the internet. Let me deconstruct this person's argument:

   The main argument here, coming from this rationalist skeptic, is that judging is possible without trying out a martial arts system, and by implication combat systems, combat sports, fitness, and other human fields. The reason why this is a badly constructed assertion and argument is that it assumes judging is possible without some degree of personal experience/direct experience of the thing/event being questioned, AKA how real or fake this martial arts is, and in a sneaky way justifies further judgementalism. This is not the case that there can be a complete separation of direct/indirect, only second hand knowledge and only personal experiences. Great example to counter all the other points he's making, is Bruce Lee himself, as he had to ACTUALLY try out many different forms of martial arts and fitness, and combined them together. Counter intuitively, going and trying out the martial arts actually is far more beneficial than to remain a skeptic and bring up many appeals and fallacies of Logos, some ethos and pathos here, instead of testing your skepticism against some strange and weird martial arts that even western science can't fully explain, and feels threatened to try out.

   Great example of seeing various factors like Spiral Dynamics Stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, states of being/becoming and consciousness, 9 stages of ego development, life experiences, other lines of development, ideological beliefs indoctrinated, groomed and gas lite into your mind by culture and upbringing, self biases and preferences. Ignorance of these factors, and hubris, results in simplistic takes like the video above. Also did some body language analysis and verbal analysis, and assume that that voice and parts of his persona here are a bit autistic, and is part of his baseline.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Autistic? Sometimes what triggers us about others just show some aspect of our psyque that we tend to ignore or is a blind spot in ourself. 

[Juan]

4 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Autistic? Sometimes what triggers us about others just show some aspect of our psyque that we tend to ignore or is a blind spot in ourself. 

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If I see myself triggered by someone, the first question I ask myself is “why?” And keep observing the feeling like watching a movie for a couple of minutes, hours or days. Maybe I have to learn or accept something about myself. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Juan

[Princess Arabia]

@Danioover9000Can you ever make a post without referring to Spiral Dynamics, Stages of Development and the 9 Stages of Ego Development. I'm not telling you what or how to post and I'm not being synical or disrespectful, but it's very noticeable and I'm genuinely wondering if that's possible for you. Maybe that's just your thing and are fascinated by it but sometimes it would be refreshing to see another side of you or see you post from a different perspective just to break up the monotony a bit and to see what else is in that brilliant mind of yours. Just saying, and it's coming from a place of love, so don't take it any other way which you're also free to do.❤️

[Osaid]

Not gonna watch the video, but...

You can judge anything without trying it. Judging has never had anything to do with direct experience, inherently.

It's not just a martial arts thing, I mean, it's the structure of the act of judging itself. Judging is never factual, it's a subjective interpretation or conclusion.

I have not directly experienced the video myself, though.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Osaid

[Danioover9000]

@Osaid

On 2023-08-10 at 3:58 AM, Osaid said:

Not gonna watch the video, but...

You can judge anything without trying it. Judging has never had anything to do with direct experience, inherently.

It's not just a martial arts thing, I mean, it's the structure of the act of judging itself. Judging is never factual, it's a subjective interpretation or conclusion.

I have not directly experienced the video myself, though.

   I then guess that it's a semantics issue for me. 'Judging', 'judged', 'judge', 'judges', 'judgment', 'judgmental', 'judgmentalism', these words have more negative than positive connotations compared to synonyms like discernment, distinction, comparison, contrast, evaluation, assessment, review, critique, observation, contemplation, and so on. The meanings and feelings of judging is just more unproductive and creates long term karmic effects, like a double edged sword, like you joking and judging someone's a weak minded person, but later in the future you find yourself being weak minded in a combative situation, AKA self fulfilling prophecies. If this guy's views are true, then Bruce Lee and other old time martial arts masters wouldn't be as powerful then, yet Bruce Lee's feats of strength and super speed cannot be underestimated.

[Danioover9000]

@Princess Arabia

On 2023-08-09 at 11:32 PM, Princess Arabia said:

@Danioover9000Can you ever make a post without referring to Spiral Dynamics, Stages of Development and the 9 Stages of Ego Development. I'm not telling you what or how to post and I'm not being synical or disrespectful, but it's very noticeable and I'm genuinely wondering if that's possible for you. Maybe that's just your thing and are fascinated by it but sometimes it would be refreshing to see another side of you or see you post from a different perspective just to break up the monotony a bit and to see what else is in that brilliant mind of yours. Just saying, and it's coming from a place of love, so don't take it any other way which you're also free to do.❤️

   Noted, I'll try to write simpler and with more variations.?

[Danioover9000]

@Rafael Thundercat

On 2023-08-09 at 6:28 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

Autistic? Sometimes what triggers us about others just show some aspect of our psyque that we tend to ignore or is a blind spot in ourself. 

   I partly agree, basically Carl Jung's Architypes and the shadow aspects of the *psyche* we all have, from the individual ego to the collective ego. So with this guy he's got his shadows, but also the collective shadows he inherited from his in-group and culture, the skeptics debunker circles from the western divisions, judging onto the eastern divisions of martial arts.

[Majed]

@Danioover9000 hey buddy, we missed you

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

On 2023-08-09 at 10:46 PM, Juan said:

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If I see myself triggered by someone, the first question I ask myself is “why?” And keep observing the feeling like watching a movie for a couple of minutes, hours or days. Maybe I have to learn or accept something about myself. 

   True, sometimes I do wonder why I'm sucked into Tik Tok and judging the quality of those videos. besides that, the main issue is that this YouTuber thinks it's possible to separate personal experiences from second hand knowledge. In most cases it's difficult to do so, and this assumes that in the past legends and geniuses in every human field could have just judged and reached a conclusion from doing little. Nope, they did a lot, get involved in the participation and discovery process, from which these second hand knowledges get recorded and passed down in academia and education systems and in history. 

[Danioover9000]

@Majed

Just now, Majed said:

@Danioover9000 hey buddy, we missed you

   I was busy with my life, had to some some martial arts and fitness with making my drawers and wardrobe so had to take a break from forum.

[Danioover9000]

   Another YouTuber responds to him, with a slightly different take, bringing in mastery:

   Although I partly disagree with his framing of JKD, as that's born more out of necessity for Bruce Lee's interactions with western American bodies in a martial arts and combat situation. He learnt pretty quickly that he can't maintain the traditional framing of Wing Chun from China, because compared to a more homogenous culture and average body mass index being very similar amongst the Chinese, and eastern cultures in general, when he applied himself in his physical trainings and sparring matches against the average American westerner's body, there's greater variations in body composition ranging from BMI, height, length of striking limps, muscle mass, other genetics and other factors that pressured him into adjusting and modifying how he had to fight. Also, he loves exercising and fitness, studies not just past philosophers but old school body builders, and incorporated parts of their training methodologies into his JKD. One time, when teaching his JKD and doing Chi Sao against most westerners, he had to roll his shoulders forwards and hollow his own chest so that he can still maintain good structure against a bigger body pushing back in Chi Sao, but in China dealing with very similarly sized Wing Chun applicants they can still maintain a more traditional framework of the body, which is what this guy and the other guy missed, in their various demonizing and misunderstandings of mastery because they are biased and preferential to THIR VERSIONS of martial arts.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Buck Edwards]

Sometimes what we think of others is a reflection of ourselves too. 

[Danioover9000]

   Another good example:

   And for this, I say it mainly depends on the body composition and genetics of that T fighter. If that T fighter is too big or muscular for the cis gendered woman, it's not going to be a fair fight. Pretty obvious to me to include the T category in those combat sports, and to further update parameters of not just weight divisions based on your BMI, but start including other factors like hydration levels, approximate muscle mass percentage, limb dimension, height. Touchy factor would also be drugs, especially trace elements in the system, but something like that and we'd avoid the Joe Rogan types of arguments because all a trans fighter wants is recognition and acknowledgement that they can fight as well.

[Danioover9000]

   Good example of being more direct experience, and level headed:

 

[Danioover9000]

   This woman has much worse takes than me, and manages to make me look more reasonable with my post:

   Also good lessons on developmental factors like values, cognition, morality, personality types/traits, especially ego attachments, and ideology.

Edited August 18, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

   This is a good example of testing your martial arts like this, this is a good balance, more direct experience and less skeptic talk:

   Although yes, a bit predominantly stage red and some stage blue, there's no BS skeptic debunkers allowed here. You test with direct experience how to handle bare knuckles, palms, elbows, knees, feet, and headbutts.

   However, no offense to Lei Wei, my Jeet Kune Do is superior, similar to Paul Venuk's:

 

[Danioover9000]

   It's irritating to see people like these get away with BS they spout. Decent teacher, and okay YouTuber, but the delusion is unreal:

   And stop plagiarizing Bruce Lee, it's annoying. 

[Danioover9000]

   Even though it's part of my bias and preference, I don't like atheism and this skeptic debunk culture, it's stupid, as stupid as the religious fundamentalists. One positions and believes in a concept of god, gods, or something other, and the other positions related to secularists, materialists, rationalists and atheists, is the belief in a god that doesn't exist, or new age is bullshit. It's this deep hypocrisy that's annoying, because the arguments in principle are no that different, they're the same, except in complexity and justifications arguments from science and rationalism are more lines than from fundamentalists.  

[Danioover9000]

   It's so funny, you can talk circles all you want, appeal to functionality, rationality, atheism. I see it it's obvious, but let me unpack your loaded title:

Does SBG Put Other Martial Arts (systems) Down?

Blunt, short answer is YES, NOT JUST YOUR BUSINESS BUT YOU DO IN YOUR MIND.

Long winded answer, is because it's due to various developmental factors, psychology, your ego, your attachment to being a practicality and pragmatist guy, also a right leaning conservative espousing family values. Yes, you do put down other martial arts systems, albeit very subtly, you do.