Leo do you think somewhere in the future out of body experience will have a place

[John Iverson]

I am tempted, and I wanna know if doing it I can advance technology, do science with concrete result, I can share history to people that It can cross section with real findings on paper? and also create concrete things from doing out of body ?

[Leo Gura]

Hard for me to say as I never had one.

[OBEler]

@John Iverson you can do that but it will be a full time job. 

I had obe s. It is very time consuming to produce one and not really rewarding at all. Not as a beginner 

[Michal__]

I had tons of OBEs in the past 2 years. Stopped counting after 1000.

Less than 10% is practically useful. Maybe closer to 1%.

Although if you did concentration techniques for 4 hours a day 90% of them would become useful ;-).

And even without that every single one of them will make you understand magick better.

Another way to make them useful for selfish purposes would be 1 - 2 hours of concentration + micro/small-dosing.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Michal__

[Oppositionless]

I’m pretty sure aliens use technology to enchance their psychic abilities. that’s how these craft are able to perform such jaw-dropping seemingly physically impossible maneuvers

[John Iverson]

I love your responses guys!

 

 

[thenondualtankie]

Given all the DMT Leo has been putting up his butt, it's very surprising he's never had an OBE.

[John Iverson]

9 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

Given all the DMT Leo has been putting up his butt, it's very surprising he's never had an OBE.

Having said that we will go down to the question. @Leo Gura do you think doing OB will also have a different experience depending on people, and their genetics?

[caspex]

I want to get into OBEs as well, I have induced the starting stages a few times. Judging by them it feels like it'll be quite hard to keep them practical and connected to current physical world. But I have heard that it's possible to train practical type OBEs

[OBEler]

@Swarnim of course you can train. 

I needed to train for 3 month to get my first oobe. Hard work but also great reward once you make it out of body. 

Compared to psychedelics there is no way that obes can traumatize you. You even feel total normal. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 11/08/2023 at 0:45 AM, thenondualtankie said:

Given all the DMT Leo has been putting up his butt, it's very surprising he's never had an OBE.

I am doing DMT for 7 years or more and All my experiences where direct consciousness, even the super weird bad trips I still had in presence. I am not surprised Leo don't  have OBE since he insist on Actuality. 

[John Iverson]

On 8/20/2023 at 3:23 PM, OBEler said:

@Swarnim of course you can train. 

I needed to train for 3 month to get my first oobe. Hard work but also great reward once you make it out of body. 

Compared to psychedelics there is no way that obes can traumatize you. You even feel total normal. 

I heard that doing OBEs the first phase is you will experience the black shadow idk if a creature or element I am sure that it is other real thing. Have you experienced a many shadow thing that will gatekeep you on your travel? It is like a gate you should experience and that is not a pleasant experience as you said that will not traumatize you.

[OBEler]

@John Iverson hm where did you read that? 

It's true I met a Black shadow creature, it was standing still and looked like a daemon. I only met him one time, was 1 Meter away from him and I was not scared I just observed it for some seconds and found it cool. I could not control my astral body fully there, I moved away from him somehow and never looked back. Thats it