The Purpose of The Ego

[SOUL]

@Razard86  Beautiful step on the path.

[Ajax]

18 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I just had another awakening, this awakening revealed to me the true identity of what the ego is. Your ego is your desire to survive, it is the strongest part of you, and it is completely innocent. The ego= PURE INNOCENCE. All it wants to do is survive, all it wants to do is live.

Your ego= Your determination, Your never say die, it is the fight within you to overcome all obstacles. 

What is the part of you that causes a person to act irrational and insane?

[Razard86]

11 hours ago, Ajax said:

What is the part of you that causes a person to act irrational and insane?

Ignorance, Lack of awareness, Low Consciousness. This can also be called lack of experience, the absence of knowledge and ultimately wisdom.

[Razard86]

11 hours ago, SOUL said:

@Razard86  Beautiful step on the path.

Appreciate it, I'm just glad the true nature of the ego and why it exists in the first place is being given to me as part of Self-Understanding. I'm being taught/shown why everything is currently the way it is. 

Our issue is our understanding of why things are the way they are needs to be pointed towards understanding of SELF/self. The purpose of our existence is to understand our individual self in relation to the Absolute SELF. This process is called personal development, and it culminates in individual and universal self-acceptance. The absolute already has complete self-acceptance, life's journey is to take an asleep/ignorant individuated self and teach it through experience the knowledge of the absolute self. 

This process culminates with the individual self realizing it is the ABSOLUTE SELF, and that it put itself asleep to awaken to its full knowledge. It does this not because it needs to do it, but because it loves itself and wants to share itself with itself. But this process becomes harrowing because it creates so many different versions of itself which come into conflict.

This is why there is no difference between individual self-love and collective universal love. The more you love your individual self the more your love will grow for the collective. Notice all lack of love for the collective is rooted in a victim, nihilistic, lack of power mentality. When you truly love your individual self, you become aware of your power, your authority. This is why individual self-love is rooted in personal security, which can only be accomplished by facing your fear of death and ultimately realizing that the ABSOLUTE and the individual are ONE  and thus the ABSOLUTE will always protect and guide the individual because it is LITERALLY ONE AND THE SAME!!!

All lack of authority is rooted in lack of trust of the absolute, this means Spiritual Progress is rooted in a complete trust in the ABSOLUTE. This process is both humbling and confidence driven. You are humble enough to submit to the authority and power of your other aspects/egos through cooperation, but confident enough to resist, erect boundaries when your personal autonomy/authority is being challenged. 

This duality is how the ABSOLUTE experiences the old adage every parent tells their child, sharing is caring. Caring....is devotion, Devotion is LOVE. Devotion is the submission of authority to a cause that is greater than the individual self. Devotion is how talent is developed, knowledge is developed, wisdom is attained, and Self-Mastery is ultimately attained and expressed. 

All Egos are here to learn Self-Mastery and that is their contribution to the story of Universal Love, and its self-expression. 

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Razard86

[SOUL]

11 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Appreciate it, I'm just glad the true nature of the ego and why it exists in the first place is being given to me as part of Self-Understanding. I'm being taught/shown why everything is currently the way it is.

Yes, do appreciate every step along the path.

Although, if we allow any one step along the way to capture too much attention it can stagnate the journey. The ego desires identity so it will create elaborate reasoning and complex interconnected webs of trust in its identity that rely on each other to form this basis of identity. It can become a stumbling block in the path, this isn't a dysfunction but it can be quite a strong hindrance to our work.

This is why remaining vigilant in not allowing any of the conceptualizations to be a whirlpool we get caught up with is crucial in continuing the progress. Every step has it's own vantage point but even as the perspective may appear similar from one point to the next it's ever changing as we continue along the path.

To use this analogy further to describe it, if we are hiking a mountain the view from the valley floor where we start is clear and the peak where we are going is unclear. Each small rise along the way the valley grows less clear and the peak more clear but each vantage point only differs slightly from the next. Then we get to the top and the peak is clear and the valley is unclear.

Keeping awareness in a 'fresh eyes' disposition will keep us open to new revelation. It's not a black and white case of right and wrong but each step along the path has its own insights, what helped previously may hold back eventually. The ego's survival mode often clings tightly to yesterday's insight so can be resistant to new insight.

Being aware of how the ego will build temples around insights is valuable in keeping on the path because we don't really want to spend time worshiping in them or even building a religion of identity around them.  Since there are always a new one awaiting us and ultimately we will abandon each one as the absolute is all of them but also none of them.

The ego doesn't like this but through its functioning we can train it to embrace it.

Edited August 8, 2023 by SOUL

[Razard86]

58 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Yes, do appreciate every step along the path.

Although, if we allow any one step along the way to capture too much attention it can stagnate the journey. The ego desires identity so it will create elaborate reasoning and complex interconnected webs of trust in its identity that rely on each other to form this basis of identity. It can become a stumbling block in the path, this isn't a dysfunction but it can be quite a strong hindrance to our work.

This is why remaining vigilant in not allowing any of the conceptualizations to be a whirlpool we get caught up with is crucial in continuing the progress. Every step has it's own vantage point but even as the perspective may appear similar from one point to the next it's ever changing as we continue along the path.

To use this analogy further to describe it, if we are hiking a mountain the view from the valley floor where we start is clear and the peak where we are going is unclear. Each small rise along the way the valley grows less clear and the peak more clear but each vantage point only differs slightly from the next. Then we get to the top and the peak is clear and the valley is unclear.

Keeping awareness in a 'fresh eyes' disposition will keep us open to new revelation. It's not a black and white case of right and wrong but each step along the path has its own insights, what helped previously may hold back eventually. The ego's survival mode often clings tightly to yesterday's insight so can be resistant to new insight.

Being aware of how the ego will build temples around insights is valuable in keeping on the path because we don't really want to spend time worshiping in them or even building a religion of identity around them.  Since there are always a new one awaiting us and ultimately we will abandon each one as the absolute is all of them but also none of them.

The ego doesn't like this but through its functioning we can train it to embrace it.

Well Spoken that last part is what I was pointing at. The Ego is the absolute but a limited version surrounded by other limited versions and it does everything out of a need to survive. With proper development it can embrace the Absolute. This is why demonization of the ego is a trap because it makes you scared of your individual perspective, your own creation. Demonization of the ego is self-hatred. The ego is not evil, it wants to feel good, it wants to feel loved, it wants to feel protected, it wants to feel like its life has value. 

Awakening allows the ego to realize it is surrounded and protected by its TRUE SELF and thus can live without fear. 

[VeganAwake]

I hear ya, I mean

there's no real need to demonize Or embrace the so-called ego/"sense of self" because it doesn't actually consist of anything! It's not actually there within the body! It's an illusion!

This recognition can sometimes take the wind out of the sail for this illusion of self...sorta-speak.

Good interesting topic ♥ 

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

I hear ya, I mean

there's no real need to demonize Or embrace the so-called ego/"sense of self" because it doesn't actually consist of anything! It's not actually there within the body! It's an illusion!

This recognition can sometimes take the wind out of the sail for this illusion of self...sorta-speak.

Good interesting topic ♥ 

Its not an illusion that's the point I am making. If the ego was an illusion....we wouldn't waste our time talking about it. I just told you the EGO IS YOUR DRIVE TO SURVIVE. Would you call your drive to survive an illusion? If I came at you with a knife, would you defend yourself or let me take you out? If the first then that desire to PROTECT yourself is your ego!!! Is that an illusion?

It's not!!! This is why I said, you all need to take back your authority and discover stuff for yourself instead of parroting old teachings. My contribution to Spirituality is that the EGO is your desire to survive.

This desire to survive is also one with your creative spark. So your ego desires to survive and will use the full power of your creativity to pull this off. This is why it can be tricky/devilish/creative because it will do whatever it has to, to survive. This means it will conform to its environment and go with the flow or rebel to protect its formed identity. This is NOT an illusion.

Your desire to adhere to a teaching, and to defend that teaching is EGO!!! All meaning and intepretation falls under ego. Your authority comes from ego!!! Which again is your desire to protect your boundaries. Please explain again....how this is an illusion? You see how silly you sound!!!

Don't believe anything anyone tells you, test it out for yourself.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Razard86 said:

you the EGO IS YOUR DRIVE TO SURVIVE.

Your ego is not only about your survival. It's also about survival and the evolution of humanity as a whole. If it was just survival instinct like a rat, it would be very simple. but it is extremely complex because we do not function as individuals, we do so as part of a collective. language creates a matrix that acquires a life of its own and evolves. what would you be without language? without having learned to speak or read? an animal, you can't even imagine. something very far from what you are because the contact with the collective matrix absorbs you and teaches you to process in a certain way. all this learning is backed by a system of emotional reward and punishment created in hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. the ego is the product of the collective matrix that you replicate in your individual mind, and that is not about survival but about acceptance and rejection, which at a subconscious level are translated as life and death but are not really.

you can free yourself from the ego, it's just a software that forces you to follow the human evolutionary rhythm. You can also give it its place, act partly according to its dictates, but knowing what it is and accepting it. if you don't understand it, you are a puppet

[Razard86]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your ego is not only about your survival. It's also about survival and the evolution of humanity as a whole. If it was just survival instinct like a rat, it would be very simple. but it is extremely complex because we do not function as individuals, we do so as part of a collective. language creates a matrix that acquires a life of its own and evolves. what would you be without language? without having learned to speak or read? an animal, you can't even imagine. something very far from what you are because the contact with the collective matrix absorbs you and teaches you to process in a certain way. all this learning is backed by a system of emotional reward and punishment created in hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. the ego is the product of the collective matrix that you replicate in your individual mind, and that is not about survival but about acceptance and rejection, which at a subconscious level are translated as life and death but are not really.

you can free yourself from the ego, it's just a software that forces you to follow the human evolutionary rhythm. You can also give it its place, act partly according to its dictates, but knowing what it is and accepting it. if you don't understand it, you are a puppet

Evolution is survival, Evolution deals with adapting and changing to suit the needed environment= Survival. Stop trying to find ways to disagree I'm starting to get annoyed at you all trying to find ways to disagree. You can contribute to a conversation without trying to find ways to disagree. The whole study on evolution FALLS UNDER SURVIVAL. 

The EGO is based on survival, that is what it is. Survival IS COMPLEX!!! Your understanding about survival is too limited. Survival is all encompassing it involves psychology, biology, sociology, history, the desire for a legacy is the desire to survive, procreation is about survival, culture is about survival, cooperation is about survival. You don't get it because you don't understand what survival entails. Please educate yourself on a topic before you go around disagreeing all the time.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Evolution is survival, Evolution deals with adapting and changing to suit the needed environment= Survival. Stop trying to find ways to disagree I'm starting to get annoyed at you all trying to find ways to disagree. You can contribute to a conversation without trying to find ways to disagree. The whole study on evolution FALLS UNDER SURVIVAL. 

The EGO is based on survival, that is what it is. Survival IS COMPLEX!!! Your understanding about survival is too limited. Survival is all encompassing it involves psychology, biology, sociology, history, the desire for a legacy is the desire to survive, procreation is about survival, culture is about survival, cooperation is about survival. You don't get it because you don't understand what survival entails. Please educate yourself on a topic before you go around disagreeing all the time.

Hey don't get so angry ???. You miss a point. survival is a game created for evolution. survival does not need evolution. bacteria have not evolved and survive better than you. evolution has the goal of increasing in complexity and conciousness, that's why the game of survival is created. is this too hard  to understand? ok, I understand, but don't get angry and start your hysterical behavior, control yourself.

[VeganAwake]

22 hours ago, Razard86 said:

My contribution to Spirituality is that the EGO is your desire to survive.

I get what you're saying for sure bro. ✌ 

It definitely seems intertwined with those survival desires as well.

What I'm talking about is very subtle..... it's not like a huge shocking epiphany or anything like that......It's so ordinary.

It seems that survival is naturally inherent for most living creatures(its just happening). My dog bailey for example definitely has a desire to survive but I wouldn't call it egoic, rather a natural innocent tendency. 

Animals don’t seem to suffer from chronic overthinking & judgments about self and others, self sabotage, guilt, regret, keeping up with the Kardashians ect.......

IMO the ego is that heavily conditioned "sense of ME" character that's never satisfied. It's always seeking the BBD, bigger better deal.

It's the identification as the doer & the thinker......that web of identification thoughts that arrise during self reflection.

By default, satisfaction for ego/ME is very short lived because it would be out of a job if true satisfaction occurred.......no it must keep the body/mind constantly seeking for something better in the future.

In other words the ego is that constant feeling that "whatever is happening is not good enough for me"... (the hamster wheel effect)

Anyways thats just my two cents bro! ♥ 

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I get what you're saying for sure bro. ✌ 

It definitely seems intertwined with those survival desires as well.

What I'm talking about is very subtle..... it's not like a huge shocking epiphany or anything like that......It's so ordinary.

It seems that survival is naturally inherent for most living creatures(its just happening). My dog bailey for example definitely has a desire to survive but I wouldn't call it egoic, rather a natural innocent tendency. 

Animals don’t seem to suffer from chronic overthinking & judgments about self and others, self sabotage, guilt, regret, keeping up with the Kardashians ect.......

IMO the ego is that heavily conditioned "sense of ME" character that's never satisfied. It's always seeking the BBD, bigger better deal.

It's the identification as the doer & the thinker......that web of identification thoughts that arrise during self reflection.

By default, satisfaction for ego/ME is very short lived because it would be out of a job if true satisfaction occurred.......no it must keep the body/mind constantly seeking for something better in the future.

In other words the ego is that constant feeling that "whatever is happening is not good enough for me"... (the hamster wheel effect)

Anyways thats just my two cents bro! ♥ 

True wisdom bro.  And I have nothing to say to contradict this.  But first - I hope you have been doing well.  It has been quite a few years now and I do hope you are growing old with dignity.  Now, with all that being said - the only thing I will add to your statement is that is OK to entertain the ego in all of its devilry.  If you choose to think its the wise path to do otherwise that's also OK.   But the ego was meant to be experienced in all of its fullness.

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

I get what you're saying for sure bro. ✌ 

It definitely seems intertwined with those survival desires as well.

What I'm talking about is very subtle..... it's not like a huge shocking epiphany or anything like that......It's so ordinary.

It seems that survival is naturally inherent for most living creatures(its just happening). My dog bailey for example definitely has a desire to survive but I wouldn't call it egoic, rather a natural innocent tendency. 

Animals don’t seem to suffer from chronic overthinking & judgments about self and others, self sabotage, guilt, regret, keeping up with the Kardashians ect.......

IMO the ego is that heavily conditioned "sense of ME" character that's never satisfied. It's always seeking the BBD, bigger better deal.

It's the identification as the doer & the thinker......that web of identification thoughts that arrise during self reflection.

By default, satisfaction for ego/ME is very short lived because it would be out of a job if true satisfaction occurred.......no it must keep the body/mind constantly seeking for something better in the future.

In other words the ego is that constant feeling that "whatever is happening is not good enough for me"... (the hamster wheel effect)

Anyways thats just my two cents bro! ♥ 

You could call that hunger. When your dog gets hungry it has the feeling of this is not good enough for me so I need to eat. If your dog feels afraid again your dog will have the feeling that what is happening is not good enough and it will run.

The issue is you are comparing the human ego to the dog ego and those are two different egos. Ego's are finite expressions of the absolute that reside in the realm of duality and thus must learn to survive with the other egos. This is why I am saying your ego is your desire to survive. This is why the ego is seen as the enemy to awakening because with humans the ego's desire to survive is attached to the human's identity and waking up involves shedding that identity. 

But to prove within your direct experience that this is true, you have to face DEATH and the ego represents your desire to avoid DEATH at all costs. This is why the ego acts the way it does because it is DESIGNED to survive and avoid all threats to its survival. 

Jokingly this is how your EGO feels when you go through your awakening, and then come back to it.

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Razard86

[VeganAwake]

@Inliytened1  hey thanks brother same to you and your family, all is going great, we have been traveling a lot! 

♥ 

[VeganAwake]

20 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

True wisdom bro.  And I have nothing to say to contradict this.  But first - I hope you have been doing well.  It has been quite a few years now and I do hope you are growing old with dignity.  Now, with all that being said - the only thing I will add to your statement is that is OK to entertain the ego in all of its devilry.  If you choose to think its the wise path to do otherwise that's also OK.   But the ego was meant to be experienced in all of its fullness.

Hey brother thanks ? & yes it's definitely been a little while since we chatted. We are all doing great here, I hope you and your family are all doing well also!

& yeah for sure!

When you get down to the brass tacks, there's nothing right or wrong with anything because there isn't a real universal law or meaning outside of these societal conditioned concepts!

Jim Newman likes to call the ego "a reaction to a reaction to a reaction" etc....

I can see what he's talking about.

♥