Solipsism and other minds

[UnlovingGod]

It finally clicked. I was trying to solve this riddle for about a year. What I really find interesting of Leo Gura is the use of tautolgy as his methodolgy. Solipsism is a tautology. Experience is absolute truth as experience is absolute = solipsism. The inherent quality of something makes it true, that´s why through a leap of councioussness you know that experience is concioussness, because it IS a leap of councioussness = tautolgy = true.

Then I came across a video about Wittgenstein, who disproved solipsism. The prove goes around those lines. If we feel sad and can say that we feel ourselves sad, it´s because we can attribute a particular state of our experience or concioussness, which would be sadness, to a word, which would be sad. But we had to learn this word at the first place. Because instead of saying "sadness" one could use his own word "Dickintheass". So there has to be someone else, with his own and other experience and therefore councioussnes of sadness prior to us explaining to us that the state of sadness is called "sadness".

So we´ve come across two absolute trues that are in direct opposition to each other. So how do we solve this?

There had to be a hypothetical first person to have had this first conciouss experience of "sadness" and to attribute a particular word for this experience, so for being capable of that he needed understanding, for understanding he needed concioussness, his concioussness was absolute for him, we could say that it was his absolute solipsistic concioussness and that´s why reincarnation is real in an infinite echochamber of absolute solipsistic concioussnesses giving in this example, the word "sadness" through generations and generations of one´s self, splitted apart. It has to be this way, because love couldn´t exist any other way. If there is no one to share with, than there is no one to love. Eventhough I´m still not so sure about that part, as love is also the reunification of everything. Maybe through the process of loving we all unficate into one single being, but I got no prove for that, that´s just speculating, but it would awnser the question of meaning.

It also makes me wonder if all this proving is also a direct metaphor pointing at me, because I´ve thought for myself, what if all absolute trues are just metaphorical understandings in disguise, but that´s quite psychotic and dark and I would classify it as insanity, which quite frankly, I like to tap in here and there, but after 3 months of a psychotic episode, I feel this inherent quality of one´s self deception getting caught in an absolute relative solipsistic trap, because at the end you get into the trap of "Absolute knowing is impossible and that is absolute" without having any evidence and spinning one´s own stories. I would attribute this to serious trust issues I have, but I´m working on that through going through the earth chakra.

[Breakingthewall]

If you want a logical reasoning, try this: reality cannot be limited, it is impossible, since it would have to be limited by something that was not reality, so it is unlimited, infinite. if it is infinite, and you are, you are reality and you are infinite. in infinity there are no parts, the part equals the whole. If you are infinite you are not limited by anything, the limits are imaginary. the others are limits, there is a limit between you and them, therefore, the others are imaginary. only you are. 

But the logical of infinite doesn't work like that I'm afraid. In fact, the infinity is a-logical, because the logical is something inside the infinity. I'd say that infinity is one and multiple at same time. 

[Hojo]

there is a man in a projection room putting images into a projector, now the man is the light in the projector shooting onto a screen, now the man is sitting in front of the screen watching a movie, now the man is so into the movie he thinks hes the character, now the man is the screen and the character. Now the man is asleep.

[Inliytened1]

On 8/6/2023 at 1:20 AM, UnlovingGod said:

 

So we´ve come across two absolute trues that are in direct opposition to each other. So how do we solve this?

 

By awakening.

[tuku747]

I Am You, and You Are Me Because It is simply obvious that We Are The Same Universe.
This is solipsism. But only an ego would feel alone upon learning that REALITY is identical to Unity.

Solipsism does not mean there are no "other perspectives" within Unity. There's no limit to the number of "perspectives" because a "perspective" isn't a thing. Yes, their perspective is actually your perspective because they are you. This should inspire compassion and empathy within you. If it doesn't, you aren't awake. You are viewing your infinite forms through the eyes of every creature, viewing yourself from alternate perspectives in time/space within a conceptual space/time continuum.

We Are ONE, but you are not alone, WE ARE, because You Are Infinitely With Yourself. That's Love. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by tuku747

[itsadistraction]

On 06/08/2023 at 6:58 AM, Breakingthewall said:

 in infinity there are no parts, the part equals the whole. 

I've been trying to find the answer to this, how does this work? How is the part the same as the whole, in an infinity?

[Breakingthewall]

because if the infinite is the case (and it is for obvious reasons) the finite is not real, it does not exist, everything is infinite. infinity is unlimited ok? So, if you divide the unlimited into two parts, what is left? two unlimited (apparents) parts. if they are unlimited, they are equal, then they are the same and the division was not real, since if they are unlimited they cannot be separated, because neither can they be limited, because there was never a limit. if infinity is the case, a proton is infinite ,because it's just an idea of the infinity, and within it is infinity, with infinitely many protons within which is infinity. It's everything.. can you split that? Apparently yes, but only apparently, a dividing line within an ocean of infinity that means nothing, only appearance. 

[tuku747]

30 minutes ago, itsadistraction said:

I've been trying to find the answer to this, how does this work? How is the part the same as the whole, in an infinity?

Because the part contains the whole. They are contiguous. The Infinity is reflected within and without.

Edited August 8, 2023 by tuku747