Someone please talk Christianity out of me.

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Not think, KNOW. According to current research Church Attending has dropped lower than it ever has in recorded history. This has been likened to what they call the "Death of God" when humanity stops believing in religion and God period and are either agnostic or atheist and this has happened at sufficient levels. Its fine though because many of these agnostics and atheists eventually have opportunities for direct encounters with the Absolute as a result.

No, Church Attending has dramatically dropped because more people have "Woken up to God". What God really is. More people are realizing who they are and what Reality is. Not in the Absolute sense, perse, that takes a lot of introspection and dedication to really unpack, but just the basics. I say, in about 100yrs or so, the Church will be Obsolete. Maybe longer but it will be eventually, if not, it will dramatically change to accommodate more Spiritual teachings like Dr. Michael Beckwith's the CEO of Agape International in California. That's the Church I would love to attend some day. I've seen a few more Pastors changing their style of teaching and being a bit more open to New Age stuff, it's quite shocking.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, gettoefl said:

for me the path is to turn explanations into experiences at which point you are the captain of the ship and everyone else is gravy

And I'm saying it would be foolish to think you're not fully at the mercy of the ocean and that when you're thrown into a storm that rearranges the very structure of your ship, you should think twice about your navigating ability having anything to do with it.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

And I'm saying it would be foolish to think you're not fully at the mercy of the ocean and that when you're thrown into a storm that rearranges the very structure of your ship, you should think twice about your navigating ability having anything to do with it.

am happy to take my chances, am not particularly attached to this dream, i will forge ahead in the direction i am going regardless

[How to be wise]

10 hours ago, KatiesKarma said:

The Demon is called Christianity

Doesn’t sound like you need talking out of Christianity. 

Edited August 10, 2023 by How to be wise

[KatiesKarma]

51 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Doesn’t sound like you need talking out of Christianity. 

I am over it, the thread can be closed ? but if people want to continue discussing they may do so

[Razard86]

5 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

No, Church Attending has dramatically dropped because more people have "Woken up to God". What God really is. More people are realizing who they are and what Reality is. Not in the Absolute sense, perse, that takes a lot of introspection and dedication to really unpack, but just the basics. I say, in about 100yrs or so, the Church will be Obsolete. Maybe longer but it will be eventually, if not, it will dramatically change to accommodate more Spiritual teachings like Dr. Michael Beckwith's the CEO of Agape International in California. That's the Church I would love to attend some day. I've seen a few more Pastors changing their style of teaching and being a bit more open to New Age stuff, it's quite shocking.

I was with you until you said this (what I bolded)... the only way to wake up to God and what Reality is, is in the Absolute sense. You need to have a direct experience of Reality. This is what awakening is. If you do not have direct experience that everything is YOU and that your true identity is a conscious, loving, feeling, intelligent, shapeshifting, impermanent, permanent, infinite, totality ....then you have not woken up to God. Most people are waking up to individualism which is a MUCH lower awakening. Those people still think they are human and have a million questions about why they are here, and what is the origin of all existence but have yet to fully investigate it.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Razard86 said:

I was with you until you said this... the only way to wake up to God and what Reality is, is in the Absolute sense. You need to have a direct experience of Reality. This is what awakening is. If you do not have direct experience that everything is YOU and that your true identity is a conscious, loving, feeling, intelligent, shapeshifting, impermanant, permanent, infinite, totality ....then you have not woken up to God. Most people are waking up to individualism which is a MUCH lower awakening. Those people still think they are human and have a million questions about why they are here, and what is the origin of all existence but have yet to fully investigate it.

Well, you have to start somewhere and sometimes language gets very tricky in trying to communicate this stuff. There are stages to this and getting away from the old paradigm of a God outside of you, is a real good start if you were indoctrinated as a Christian to believing in the "Sky God". I know what you're saying but it's still a far stretch from what most Christians believed at one time. You went very deep into the Awakening aspect but I was merely touching the tip.

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Well, you have to start somewhere and sometimes language gets very tricky in trying to communicate this stuff. There are stages to this and getting away from the old paradigm of a God outside of you, is a real good start if you were indoctrinated as a Christian to believing in the "Sky God". I know what you're saying but it's still a far stretch from what most Christians believed at one time. You went very deep into the Awakening aspect but I was merely touching the tip.

I know...and I don't disagree with what you are saying I agree with everything you said....just not the way you said that one part. People are starting a Spiritual Awakening, but that is different than God Realization or God Awakening. The truth of what we all are is the I AM looking through our eyes, looking at itself. I live from this state sober baseline...and it never gets old. 

It's literally heaven. Once you break through you are in heaven on Earth. It's quite shocking. I already know how to wake everyone up, the issue is are they open to it. I can coach anybody to God Realization if they are open to it because I discovered what the process TRULY is and current Spirituality Teachers are WAYY to judgmental to hear the process. It is very counter-intuitive. 

I'll share one of the secrets....

^^^^This is the first step. You must live authentically from this perspective. 

Next step you need to see all of life as divine...ALL OF IT!!! If you can truly accept that everything is beautiful then the next step is possible.

Meditate and contemplate, and deconstruct your mind till you free yourself from the materialist paradigm that you are some separate individual. This means you must embrace Absolute Solipsism. Reality is both Absolutely Solipsistic, and Absolutely Many. You have lived from the Absolutely Many state your whole life as an ego, you must now strip yourself of your individual ego and realize all ego are YOU.

After that....the rest of your life will just be finding more ways to awaken to the beauty that is around you and create ways to share this with the other parts of you.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

I know...and I don't disagree with what you are saying I agree with everything you said....just not the way you said that one part. People are starting a Spiritual Awakening, but that is different than God Realization or God Awakening. The truth of what we all are is the I AM looking through our eyes, looking at itself. I live from this state sober baseline...and it never gets old. 

It's literally heaven. Once you break through you are in heaven on Earth. It's quite shocking. 

Ok i guess my use of the phrase "Woke up to God" wasn't appropriate in this case, which is like saying God Realized which most aren't aware of. Glad we cleared that up. BTW, have you ever heard of Dr Michael Beckwith.?

[Razard86]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok i guess my use of the phrase "Woke up to God" wasn't appropriate in this case, which is like saying God Realized which most aren't aware of. Glad we cleared that up. BTW, have you ever heard of Dr Michael Beckwith.?

Of course I like him. He said "I never speak what I don't want to experience." I was like RIGHT ON, I LOVE THAT QUOTE!!

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

Of course I like him. He said "I never speak what I don't want to experience." I was like RIGHT ON, I LOVE THAT QUOTE!!

Love him too. I remember hearing him say that. I'm subscribed to his YT channel and sometimes listen to his Sunday morning Agape service online. 

[How to be wise]

14 hours ago, KatiesKarma said:

I am over it, the thread can be closed ? but if people want to continue discussing they may do so

You don’t have to get rid of Christianity, just the mythical and outdated parts of it. Christianity needs to be updated, not destroyed. 

[Jodistrict]

2 hours ago, How to be wise said:

You don’t have to get rid of Christianity, just the mythical and outdated parts of it. Christianity needs to be updated, not destroyed. 

It’s easier said then done.  The Unitarians eliminated the mythology to the extent that the only thing they believe in is social justice and most of the members are old.   The dogma does have  a power to it if it is believed.  

[How to be wise]

4 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

It’s easier said than done.  The Unitarians eliminated the mythology to the extent that the only thing they believe in is social justice and most of the members are old.   The dogma does have  a power to it if it is believed.  

Sounds more like Green addiction than genuine growth to me. A good rule of thumb is that anything which contradicts rationality and science should be thrown out, the rest can be kept. You don’t have to go to the extreme of replacing father, son and holy spirit with mother, daughter and holy spirit. Christianity should remain in touch with its 2000 year history. 

[Jodistrict]

6 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Sounds more like Green addiction than genuine growth to me. A good rule of thumb is that anything which contradicts rationality and science should be thrown out, the rest can be kept. You don’t have to go to the extreme of replacing father, son and holy spirit with mother, daughter and holy spirit. Christianity should remain in touch with its 2000 year history. 

The other alternative is to just dump it and go back to our “pagan” roots.  The people who want to reform christianity still have an emotional attachment and don’t want to let it go.  If you don’t have that attachment, there are better alternatives.

[Brittany]

On 8/5/2023 at 7:22 PM, KatiesKarma said:

Just give me simple explanations for as to why it literally cannot be true

 

Edit;

Christianity: You are not God, God is God and you are in his image, in a defiled one.

You must accept Christ to ascend to Heaven. Most of Humanity will burn in hell eternally because God wants to glorify himself. Sin is real.

Satan is the ultimate deceiver. My concern is that Satan is deceiving us with new age spirituality and the belief of being God. I.e. Leo's 666 lamp, whilst he claimed that lamp means literally nothing in Christianity it is the mark of the beast.

I had psychosis from this that's why I am concerned. Thanks 

You can do both. You don't need to choose 1 or the other.

I love Leo's teachings and I love Christianity. I love both.

I read Christian books, listen to Christian music, go to church every Sunday ..........and still watch Leo's videos. haha

Christianity has some gold mines of wisdom that you don't get from non-duality/new age/spiritual circles. 

Some Christian books are more calming than a meditation retreat. haha

What you really need is freedom from fear.

Fear leads to psychosis.

Fear based new age teachings can lead to conspiracy theories about aliens or dark secrets in the government that make people loose their mind.

Fear based Christian teachings can lead you to nightmares about demons and hell.

When you are freed from fear...... you can learn from Atheists, you can learn from Christians, you can learn from New Agers, you can learn from Pyschologists, you can learn from Philosophers, etc.

Right now, you are actually scared of Christianity.......

You think you are scared of Leo's lamp.... but it's actually Christianity that is scaring you.

Find ways to be less scared of Christianity.

What helped me with psychosis is reading books like "I Hear His Whisper: Encounter God's Heart for You" from Brian Simmons..... or watching sermons from Christians who were more loving, kind, and more Christ-like. 

And what helped others is watching a ton of Atheist videos that debunk Christian theology....which reduces fear. There are some Atheists who debunk demons and hell very thoroughly. 

[Yimpa]

On 8/10/2023 at 0:20 PM, KatiesKarma said:

I am over it, the thread can be closed ?

Nice one. Always nice to see different parts of yourself for once 

[Yimpa]

Judgement is a major obstacle if used unwisely. It can be used to justify avoiding aspects of ourselves that we hate, thus masking that as Love. This is the pattern I observe with all fundamentalist ideologies. 

[Aaron p]

@KatiesKarma be careful assuming that Christianity is what jesus wanted. Another question is this; do you think god is a Christian lol. Nope. 

He isint serious about any religion and neither should you. Sure still use it but it ultimately doesn't matter as much as you think it does. Jesus was most likely a real person but he is simply a past version of you. You are jesus. 

1 John 4:17

"...as He (Jesus) is, so are we in this world."

You will have to die like Jesus did and you will be reborn...or, "born again" as God 

[Razard86]

On 8/5/2023 at 8:54 PM, Leo Gura said:

You have been taught a very poor, shallow version of Christianity. If you actually make an effort to study serious mystical esoteric Christianity you will realize that Christianity means You are God.

It's that simple.

But the Christianity you were taught was just dogma and nonsense spoken by people who never actually had direct experience of God. They didn't know what they were teaching.

As Jesus told you, the kindgom of heaven is within. What that means is is that you are God, if you go deep within.

You need to question and desconstruct every ideas humans told you about God and spirituality. Question everything until you discard all ideas. Then you will be left with raw direct experience or pure consciousness. That's the real God. CONSCIOUSNESS IS GOD. And all ideas about it are irrelevant.

https://biblehub.com/john/10-34.htm

On 8/5/2023 at 7:22 PM, KatiesKarma said:

Just give me simple explanations for as to why it literally cannot be true

 

Edit;

Christianity: You are not God, God is God and you are in his image, in a defiled one.

You must accept Christ to ascend to Heaven. Most of Humanity will burn in hell eternally because God wants to glorify himself. Sin is real.

Satan is the ultimate deceiver. My concern is that Satan is deceiving us with new age spirituality and the belief of being God. I.e. Leo's 666 lamp, whilst he claimed that lamp means literally nothing in Christianity it is the mark of the beast.

I had psychosis from this that's why I am concerned. Thanks 

Jesus said you are God. Mainstream Christianity will never tell you that. Also you are the Devil, God is the creator. Whatever God creates is ALSO God. You cannot separate a creator and its creation. Try it. Create a fictional character right now in your mind, notice that once you create that character it is YOU as that character. This is what it means when it says you are made in the IMAGE of GOD.

Go look in the mirror, you see an image, that image is you, and that image is GOD looking at itself. God does not have a physical form until it creates a physical form. So you are God no less than Jesus is God. But....are you willing to be as GODLY as Jesus was? Jesus gave to the poor, Jesus hung out with the poor and called out those in authority in religion. Jesus was both the nicest and meanest guy. Notice how the Church is selective with their representation of Jesus. 

Matthew 23:27 says, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness". 

Jesus said this publicly. Which caused the Pharisees public embarrassment which is why they wanted him dead. Jesus also whipped people before.

John 2:15 KJV

and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables

So Jesus could be violent as well. 

Jesus was a complicated man who the Church does not understand. He preached that God and heaven was within you. 

Luke 17:20-21

King James Version

20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

God is in heaven because God IS HEAVEN. So if the kingdom of God is within you, then God is WITHIN YOU. This is why Jesus said You are God.

John 10:34

King James Version

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Edited February 19, 2024 by Razard86