Someone please talk Christianity out of me.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

Science is pushing us further from God than we have ever been. Its alien to humans and we are seeing the consequences of it now.

Science is the worst religion there is.

The only thing different about science, is it helps us get around better in the world.

It is a necessary evil.  But yes, it will bring you farther from God then religion ever would.  It is religion on steroids.

[Hojo]

@Inliytened1 i blame religion you have no other choice than to turn to science when you are told you are a sinner for no reason

[UnbornTao]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

what he is saying is that spirituality can be turned into a religion, in fact, there is no difference.

what is actual is actual - all else is deception - and that is what you have to look at.  As @gettoefl said - the kingdom of God is within.

And what I'm saying is that both exist in your experience as beliefs. They are concepts.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

And what I'm saying is that both exist in your experience as beliefs. They are concepts.

indeed...that is what he is saying, so why would you disagree.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1 i blame religion you have no other choice than to turn to science when you are told you are a sinner for no reason

it is simply the culture you have been brought up in.  You have been brainwashed to believe that science is God.  Science is not God.  You do not have to turn to it for the ultimate answer.  Even Einstein realized it in the end.  I would have loved to have been Neils Bohr when he realized that reality was mystical.

[UnbornTao]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

indeed...that is what he is saying, so why would you disagree.

I don't think that's what's being said

[Hojo]

@Inliytened1 i was forcibly brainwashed out of believing in God by being lied to about god by people who claimed to know God. That left me no other alternative but to be dogmatic towards science. Religion kills your metaphysical self the way its being done right now. They use Santa to trick you into creating an imaginary friend that resembles God in your eyes and then tell you later that they were lying to you and this crushes your metaphysical sense of reality. Its done on purpose to praise science.you will never be made such a fool again to beleive something you cannot see. 

And an athiest is born and now we are turning the earth into a planet without life and robots mimicking life. 

If you were an alien and came to earth before science and then left and came back 300 years later and there are robots everywhere mimicking life you would say this planet has been overrun with a virus thats copying the host but has no life. Thats science a mind virus that is slowly copying humans and one day will have a planet completely dominated by copies of what the earth used to be with no actual alive things.

Science and religion are working together to extinguish life.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Hojo

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Science is the worst religion there is.

The only thing different about science, is it helps us get around better in the world.

It is a necessary evil.  But yes, it will bring you farther from God then religion ever would.  It is religion on steroids.

Science has nothing to do with religion.  Science doesn’t speculate or have a metaphysics.   What you are objecting to is “Scientism” , which is a speculative philosophy that claims support from science but is actually in the realm of speculation and thus not superior to the imaginations of all the other religions.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Science has nothing to do with religion.  Science doesn’t speculate or have a metaphysics.   What you are objecting to is “Scientism” , which is a speculative philosophy that claims support from science but is actually in the realm of speculation and thus not superior to the imaginations of all the other religions.

The problem is young people today take science and materialism as the source of reality.  So call it whatever you want.  You can deny it all you want, but we have been brought into this world believing science has an answer for reality and that that answer is materialism.    This is because scientists today think they have figured out reality.  But they will never solve consciousness.  They are just in denial.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Hojo]

@Jodistrict science has been proven to be broken and they are denying it. Thats as dogmatic as religion to me therefore are the same.

They ignore key discoveries that break their materialistic paradigm and keep going making garbage that is just harming the planet. Because they are fully seperated from God and have to die to go back and they are scared of death cause they don't beleive in god.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1 i was forcibly brainwashed out of believing in God by being lied to about god by people who claimed to know God. That left me no other alternative but to be dogmatic towards science. Religion kills your metaphysical self the way its being done right now. They use Santa to trick you into creating an imaginary friend that resembles God in your eyes and then tell you later that they were lying to you and this crushes your metaphysical sense of reality. Its done on purpose to praise science.you will never be made such a fool again to beleive something you cannot see. 

And an athiest is born and now we are turning the earth into a planet without life and robots mimicking life. 

If you were an alien and came to earth before science and then left and came back 300 years later and there are robots everywhere mimicking life you would say this planet has been overrun with a virus thats copying the host but has no life. Thats science a mind virus that is slowly copying humans and one day will have a planet completely dominated by copies of what the earth used to be with no actual alive things.

Science and religion are working together to extinguish life.

they are not working together - there is no conspiracy theory.  It is just people deceived.  Born into an illusion.  You just have to find your own way.  You have to think for yourself.  No one is going to do it for you, but no one is acting against you either.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

I don't think that's what's being said

Then what do you think is being said?  

[Hojo]

@Inliytened1 people don't influence you ideas do. Science is a concious idea  and so is religion and they do exist and they do have a narrative. These are ideas that exist in the mind of God and they have power over God. Science is just as concious as you are. They slip into the minds of people and control them

Edited August 8, 2023 by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Jodistrict science has been proven to be broken and they are denying it. Thats as dogmatic as religion to me therefore are the same.

They ignore key discoveries that break their materialistic paradigm and keep going making garbage that is just harming the planet. Because they are fully seperated from God and have to die to go back and they are scared of death cause they don't beleive in god.

yes, the materialist paradigm has been broken over and over.  They turn the other cheek to the disoveries that prove otherwise.  But this is so that they can exist in the illusion.  If they actually looked deep enough it would break their reality.  And they can't have that.

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1 people don't influence you ideas do. Science is a concious idea  and so is religion and they do exist and they do have a narrative. These are ideas that exist in the mind of God and they have power over God. Science is just as concious as you are. They slip into the minds of people and control them

you don't have to entertain these ideas.  You don't have to follow that narrative.  That is what we teach here - to keep you rmind open.  These ideas only have power over you if you choose to let them have power over you.

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

it's not real because of that - its just real because there is no difference between dreaming and reality.  A dream is all that we have.

If Pain and suffering didn't exist, there would be a difference. Without Pain....you have nothing to ground you in what we call real. For example....the phrase "Shit just got real" is used when PAIN enters the building. Notice Leo's apology followed his own personal pain, same with me being humbled. 

Suffering/Pain= Is one of the strongest attachments, and grounding mechanisms in Reality. Without it....it wouldn't be real.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Razard86

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

If Pain and suffering didn't exist, there would be a difference. Without Pain....you have nothing to ground you in what we call real. For example....the phrase "Shit just got real" is used when PAIN enters the building. Notice Leo's apology followed his own personal pain, same with me being humbled. 

Suffering/Pain= Is one of the strongest attachments, and grounding mechanisms in Reality. Without it....it wouldn't be real.

thats precisely correct.  Which is why God makes himself such that he cannot lift the very rock that he created.  God's Infinity allowed it to become limited.  Infinite power is what makes reality real, not pain and suffering.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

thats precisely correct.  Which is why God makes himself such that he cannot lift the very rock that he created.  God's Infinity allowed it to become limited.  Infinite power is what makes reality real, not pain and suffering.

Infinite power expressed as pain and suffering is what makes it real. I want you to imagine a world without pain and suffering and explain to me how quickly God would realize.....its own divinity. How can God hide its own divinity from itself without pain and suffering. That rock....if God couldn't experience pain from the strain of not being able to pick up that rock in your example would stop God from feeling WEAK. 

Pain and suffering create the feeling of WEAKNESS. God is not weak, God is ABSOLUTE STRENGTH. But God can use its infinite power and turn itself into a victim and thus must use its strength to overcome the feeling of being weak. Without this....God would automatically know it was God. No journey, no awakening, without pain and suffering.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Infinite power expressed as pain and suffering is what makes it real. I want you to imagine a world without pain and suffering and explain to me how quickly God would realize.....its own divinity. How can God hide its own divinity from itself without pain and suffering. That rock....if God couldn't experience pain from the strain of not being able to pick up that rock in your example would stop God from feeling WEAK. 

Pain and suffering create the feeling of WEAKNESS. God is not weak, God is ABSOLUTE STRENGTH. But God can use its infinite power and turn itself into a victim and thus must use its strength to overcome the feeling of being weak. Without this....God would automatically know it was God. No journey, no awakening, without pain and suffering.

Yes!  But not just to be able to realize it is God - it is also to be able to realize it is not God.

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is what Leo has been saying for months now about Buddhism and Non-Duality.

what I am saying is that non-duality points to something prior to religion...religion teaches you to believe in "other".

With non-duality we look at Actuality.

So are Christian mystics religious or spiritual?