Someone please talk Christianity out of me.

[Ajax]

MEIN GOTT!!!

Too much symbolism and interpretation...

 Truth has no continuation (a part that is attached to and is an extension of something else; the fact of continuing or a thing that continues or follows from something else...Oxford/Cambridge dictionary).

Simple is best, nice... and purely simple and beautiful..understanding.. 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Ajax

[Carl-Richard]

28 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

And I agree I think the church in ancient times used to be the way you surmise and the scared people took over. There are Christian Mystics who have taught in a way that could help people Awaken but I don't know any real Christian Mystics remaining today. Neville Goddard is one, but he actually makes one change. He says David is the Son not Jesus. It's a slightly different take. He says Jesus is asleep within and you are David and you have to rouse Jesus from his sleep within LOL.

The science says that Christians are at least more mystical than non-Christians, so they can have that.

 

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The current study validated the three-factor, eight-facet model of Hood's Mysticism Scale and explored mean differences in mysticism with 330 indigenous Chinese Christian and 323 non-Christian participants. Confirmatory factor analysis demonstrated good fit for the overall Chinese sample and established measurement invariance of the instrument across the two groups. Both groups scored above the midpoint on the total Mysticism Scale, while Christians scored significantly higher in the mystical interpretation factor than did non-Christians. Controlling for demographic variables, multiple regression procedures revealed that a high intrinsic religious orientation mediated the association of Christian religious affiliation with mysticism. These results yielded patterns consistent with those found in the West, and suggested that the Mysticism Scale was a valid quantitative measure for exploring spirituality issues in Chinese society.

Mysticism in Chinese Christians and Non-Christians: Measurement Invariance of the Mysticism Scale and Implications for the Mean Differences, March 2012, International Journal for the Psychology of Religion 22(2), https://www.researchgate.net/publication/239795159_Mysticism_in_Chinese_Christians_and_Non-Christians_Measurement_Invariance_of_the_Mysticism_Scale_and_Implications_for_the_Mean_Differences

Edited August 8, 2023 by Carl-Richard

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

This says it all.  You're not gonna win because you want somehow for religion to be God.  Religion is no closer to God than science.   

This is a competition? First of all if this was a debate....I would definitely win since I know how to win a debate lol. But its not a debate its a discussion.....second you said I want religion to be God....when did I make that argument? I'm so confused as to what is going on here....are you guys that full of fear? Spirituality and Religion are just expressions of the Absolute at the end of the day.

The Absolute doesn't need Spirituality or Religion they are just vehicles no different than its creation to experience aspects of itself from a finite perspective. I don't want religion to be God, I want those in Spirituality to get off their high horse and stop thinking that Spirituality is some how superior to religion. 

Religion is NOT an accident. Again.....the ABSOLUTE CREATED RELIGION through its finite aspects, this means Infinite Intelligence in its innate wisdom created religion through its creation and your demonization is pure ignorance. After I went through my recent awakenings I was called to revisit the Church and now I see why. Some of you are wayyy to judgmental of the Religion and this is due to you not understanding that Religion is the training wheels of Spirituality. You can't just toss everyone into the deep end of the pool, some people need Religion to be where it is currently.

I'm not saying you got to respect or even like Religion but it is a necessary component due to the developmental level of humanity at large. I was given information on why Spirituality is the number one most dangerous thing to Society. If Spirituality as presently constructed were to be released onto Society we would have an epidemic of mental illness and it would cause a collapse of society because society currently does not understand Spirituality nor does it have safety measures in place to help keep those who wish to do it seriously. 

So currently Religion will be in place until Spirituality can find a way to become a guided practice with the full support of Society. Basically we would need to emulate India more and incorporate it more into our culture. 

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

The science says that Christians are at least more mystical than non-Christians, so they can have that.

 

Mysticism in Chinese Christians and Non-Christians: Measurement Invariance of the Mysticism Scale and Implications for the Mean Differences, March 2012, International Journal for the Psychology of Religion 22(2), https://www.researchgate.net/publication/239795159_Mysticism_in_Chinese_Christians_and_Non-Christians_Measurement_Invariance_of_the_Mysticism_Scale_and_Implications_for_the_Mean_Differences

Only you could find a research study on Christianity and Mysticism compared to Non-Christians.

[Hojo]

@Razard86 don't you think religion caused the west to be so fucked right now?

Then told a bunch of kids that masterbating is a sin and they had no choice but to leave religion surrounded by gigabytes of free porn. Why are they corrupting the minds of their followers by terrorizing them with negative thoughts 

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Hojo said:

don't you think religion caused the west to be so fucked right now?

You never know how bad the West would be without religion at all.

Religion's function is not to Awaken anyone, its function is to create a cohesive and well-behaved society and help normies get a bit of meaning to life. Religion is designed to be very broad and simplistic, for people who don't want to seriously question reality. In this sense it serves its function. But our goal with our work is so much deeper so we need other methods.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

6 hours ago, Razard86 said:

1. I have already had many awakenings, and already deconstructed reality. I literally have a direct connection with reality sober.

2. This fear of yours you need to address, of course I am there as a tourist, I literally said I went there to see if we were accurate in how hard we rail against them and what I have realized is we are excessive in our criticism of them. When I went there I saw people who to the best of their ability sought to be more loving. 

3. One of my recent awakenings actually informed me that our forums is far too judgmental and is doing it out of ignorance. So I ask....when is the last time you visited a Christian Church? If you have not visited one...you are speaking from a place of ignorance.

no chrisitian wants you in their building, you are corrupting and dangerous, you are not willing to embrace their one true god

 

you are a wolf in sheep's clothing and deceiving innocent well-meaning people under the banner of open mindedness and love

you are not welcome and will be barred as soon as you are exposed

 

 

[Hello from Russia]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you go a few times as a tourist, sure. But if you are actually seriously going to church and consuming their dogma in the hope of realizing God, that can be a serious obstacle to Awakening.

It's not a matter of fear, it's a matter of avoiding distractions that will waste decades of your life.

Do you find going to new age gathering and events can give the same effect? Maybe to a much lesser degree? E.g. New age retreats and so forth

Edited August 8, 2023 by Hello from Russia

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You never know how bad the West would be without religion at all.

Religion's function is not to Awaken anyone, its function is to create a cohesive and well-behaved society and help normies get a bit of meaning to life. Religion is designed to be very broad and simplistic, for people who don't want to seriously question reality. In this sense it serves its function. But our goal with our work is so much deeper so we need other methods.

THIS^^^^ This is all I was saying. Religion is dying off anyway in the West because of its hypocrisy with its judgments. I don't disagree with any of the statements you made right here. I just wanted to see what it was like to go to a modern Christian Church. I might hang around for awhile and do some outreach with the homeless or something as well. Many Churches are safe havens for those who find themselves on the streets. 

 

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

no chrisitian wants you in their building, you are corrupting and dangerous, you are not willing to embrace their one true god

 

you are a wolf in sheep's clothing and deceiving innocent well-meaning people under the banner of open mindedness and love

you are not welcome and will be barred as soon as you are exposed

 

 

They couldn't expose me if they tried, I know their own Book better than they do. All I gotta do is keep my knowledge to my self. 

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

They couldn't expose me if they tried, I know their own Book better than they do. All I gotta do is keep my knowledge to my self. 

You know God directly.   All they know is something they have learned in a book.

[gettoefl]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You know God directly.   All they know is something they have learned in a book.

religion is my god is better than your god and i am going to try to help you understand

spirituality is i am going to do me and keep tweaking whatever anyone or religion tells me so that it works for me

and i will leave others be until and unless asked

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

religion is my god is better than your god and i am going to try to help you understand

spirituality is i am going to do me and keep tweaking whatever anyone or religion tells me so that it works for me

and i will leave others be until and unless asked

When you awaken from your own dream telling the characters within the dream that they can awaken seems silly.   But then you get immersed.  It's all about being immersed.

[Razard86]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

When you awaken from your own dream telling the characters within the dream that they can awaken seems silly.   But then you get immersed.  It's all about being immersed.

*SIGH.....this is both true and untrue and true at the same time. Once you awaken....there is nobody else to awaken. But in another sense there is, because you can create a story using the full powers of your REALNESS to concoct a BELIEVABLE story that there are others to awaken. Since there is only you, and your power creates what we call REAL, this story...is REAL if you say it is. 

Also....if you rebel against this realness and claim otherwise....let's just say you can teach yourself that when you say something is REAL, it's REAL LOL.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Razard86 said:

*SIGH.....this is both true and untrue and true at the same time. Once you awaken....there is nobody else to awaken. But in another sense there is, because you can create a story using the full powers of your REALNESS to concoct a BELIEVABLE story that there are others to awaken. Since there is only you, and your power creates what we call REAL, this story...is REAL if you say it is. 

 

Exactly.   Hence, I give you what is other wise known as reality.

So you know the whole gambit now.  It's all been exposed.  The curtain was unveiled.  But now try explaining this to your peers.  They are knee deep in the illusion.   Blinded by the dream.  

[Razard86]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Exactly.   Hence, I give you what is other wise known as reality.

So you know the whole gambit now.  It's all been exposed.  The curtain was unveiled.  But now try explaining this to your peers.  They are knee deep in the illusion.   Blinded by the dream.  

Lol that's the hard mode. For some reason we make it that the other characters become depressed, and are scared to realize that all of existence is just God living a story through its creations. That's what I don't understand, why am I, as the I AM so ready to punish myself if I keep calling it an illusion. The feminine/romantic aspect of myself, punishes me when I call it an illusion, and then it challenged me over and over until I admitted that the illusion...is also REAL.

It used pain, and suffering until I admitted that the dream is also real because of pain and suffering.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Razard86

[martins name]

I've heard that Satan is a bastardization of Prometheus, the Greek god that created humans and empowered us with technology. Prometheus wants us to claim our ultimate authority. Christianity wanted to suppress this level of individual independence so they lumped Prometheus and evil together in one concept which is the Devil. 

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura and we won't know how well it could be without it. The only reason I can see is for people to explore science. Maybe God wanted us to explore science and it is part of the plan to put people to sleep and in sin instantly so they would do it. Cause if you are told you are a sinner as a baby no logical person would beleive that and would become atheist and treat science as God.

Imo anything that leads you away from God purposefully is satan and a disservice to the soul within that person. I don't care how life could have been without it or how it is with it. Every man should be born free not in the shackles of his own mind by shoving this propoganda inside of it at such and influential stage and just leaving them there to deal with it.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

religion is my god is better than your god and i am going to try to help you understand

spirituality is i am going to do me and keep tweaking whatever anyone or religion tells me so that it works for me

and i will leave others be until and unless asked

Spirituality is more like "I'm pretending to reinvent knowledge that has existed for thousands of years in various religions and also pretending to do it all on my own while seeking help from various internet videos and forums, and joining churches like Actualized.org where we tell other religious people how not-awake they are and how our God is better than their God" 

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Lol that's the hard mode. For some reason we make it that the other characters become depressed, and are scared to realize that all of existence is just God living a story through its creations. That's what I don't understand, why am I, as the I AM so ready to punish myself if I keep calling it an illusion. The feminine/romantic aspect of myself, punishes me when I call it an illusion, and then it challenged me over and over until I admitted that the illusion...is also REAL.

It used pain, and suffering until I admitted that the dream is also real because of pain and suffering.

it's not real because of that - its just real because there is no difference between dreaming and reality.  A dream is all that we have.

[Inliytened1]

56 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Spirituality is more like "I'm pretending to reinvent knowledge that has existed for thousands of years in various religions and also pretending to do it all on my own while seeking help from various internet videos and forums, and joining churches like Actualized.org where we tell other religious people how not-awake they are and how our God is better than their God" 

There's one difference between us and them, actually.  We teach free thought and to look within yourself.  We don't put Truth into "other".  We tell you where to find Truth for yourself.