gender, social construct and heterosexuality

[Majed]

if gender is a social construct how come leo says that he's only attracted to girls, when "girls" is a social construct and have no biological reality ? 

[manuel bon]

If you watch the video he posted about this topic, you will understand what he means by gender as a social construct. 

Your authentic Higher Self, consciousness, has no gender; of course, in this material reality we are born in a physical body, therefore we have a biological gender and we like girls/guys.

 

[Majed]

@manuel bon the categorization of people into two categories men and women, is arbitrary. just because people have different chromosomes and reproductive organs, doesn't mean they should be categorized differently. people have many differences that are not subject to categorization, different eye colors, different heights, different hobbies, different lengths of hair... but we don't separate and create two categories out of the differences, like we never say people with blue eyes are a different category than people with brown eyes. they're both people with different eye colors. we don't label people with blue eyes as the blues, and people with brown eyes the browns, and assign that at birth as some kind of feature that make this person who it is. 

plus this categorization of men and women indicates that these are the only two possiblities, which is cleary not the case both in terms of reproductive organs, for example people who are intersex, do not have reproductive organs that fit into these two categories. and also in terms of chromosomes, xx and xy aren't the only chromosomes patterns, you also have x, xxy, xxxy, xyy... all that make the distinction between male and female collapse.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Majed

[manuel bon]

First, you say that:

10 hours ago, Majed said:

"girls" is a social construct and have no biological reality

and then you explain that there are different chromosome patterns. Then I would say that you're contradicting yourself and that there actually is a biological reality to "girls".

I also want to add that since there are more than two categories, the distinction between male and female doesn't collapse, simply there are just more possibilities.

By the way, I never doubted that there is more than just girls and guys, as you asked:

10 hours ago, Majed said:

if gender is a social construct how come leo says that he's only attracted to girls, when "girls" is a social construct and have no biological reality ? 

I replied by saying that Consciousness has no gender, but in this material Reality there are genders, and it is normal to be attracted to them. This is why Leo is attracted to girls. 

[Samjc543]

Lol can we, as a collective, start calling them women instead of girls. It comes off weird, creepy and infantilising.

[Majed]

i hope @Leo Gura would answer this

[Leo Gura]

You have to be very careful with this notion that "gender is a social construct". It's not merely an idea in ones mind like a unicorn. You do have biological drives which dictate what you're attracted to. Your attraction is not a social construct at all.

What you're attracted to is not "girls" per se but specific body shapes and other features. We use the word "girls" as a vague proxy for that.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura yeah but in this case the boundary is much more loose you could be attracted to feminine men, or to trans men... 

 

[Majed]

@Leo Gura because if what you're saying is true, of course you're gonna find one guy who you're gonna be attracted to who shares some of the features that you like in girls

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura because if what you're saying is true, of course you're gonna find one guy who you're gonna be attracted to who shares some of the features that you like in girls

No guy has features of girls I like. And it's not as simple as one or two features, it's the whole package of features which also includes stuff like feminine energy.

But if you put feminine energy in a guy's body I am not attracted to that at all. So it's not so simple. But of course others are attracted to all sorts of unusual combinations.

For all practical purposes a straight guy will be attracted to a classically feminine girl. Don't confuse the issue with questions of social construction. Social construction refers to other aspects of gender. Gender is a complicated thing which can involve an entire identity. It's a complex mixture of biological factors mixed with culture and psychology.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura i mean yeah just be a little bit less stingy and go have sex with a guy lol. 

because what you're saying is it's a matter of taste. but people's taste aren't so absolute. so you can actually enjoy gay sex. 

if we compare that to food, most people eat of everything. so i don't know why when it comes to sex, people would have such stingy tastes. 

plus have you tried that before, like watching gay porn, or kissing a guy... maybe if you did it'll change your mind. you need experience.

personally my sexuality is very fluid , i can get attracted to everything and nothing including family member, animals, and children. of course men, women, trans people as well. so i think i'm the rule not the exception. since it's only a matter of taste. and people's taste on pretty much everything in life is very loose, like on food... 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Majed

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Majed said:

because what you're saying is it's a matter of taste. but people's taste aren't so absolute.

That's not true.

You cannot enjoy eating a piece of shit, even if you are openminded.

Taste is somewhat flexible but not all-flexible.

And the whole point of attraction is to be attracted to your fave things. The majority of girls I would rather not sleep with. Not because I couldn't enjoy the raw sex but because I am looking for something exceptional and I am deliberately picky. Your sex drive is tuned to be picky which is why you love some people a lot more than others. When you watch porn, you don't just watch any random porn, you look for favorites.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura but i doubt the majority of girls won't make you hard. i guess this applies to men as well.

hard means horny. 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura but i doubt the majority of girls won't make you hard. i guess this applies to men as well.

hard means horny. 

I am extremely picky so actually many girls simply don't make me hard. It's actually something I suffer from. I wish I was less picky. My sex life would be so much easier.

Most guys are not that picky. Sexual attraction has a huge range. People are into all sorts of weird stuff.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am extremely picky so actually many girls simply don't make me hard. It's actually something I suffer from. I wish I was less picky. My sex life would be so much easier.

Most guys are not that picky.

Low testosterone.

100% guarantee 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

Low testosterone.

No, my T was around 800 and I have always been picky.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura like when you're horny and have nobody to fuck, then if i gave you any girl you would be happy to fuck her, or would you rather finish with your own hand ? 

personally i think it's proposterous to say that you'll finish alone. 

finish meaning you'll jerkoff with your own hand. 

plus upon listening to your case , you're unlike most guys, most guys would be happy to fuck any girl lmao. 

plus it depends, if you're successful with women and you have a lot of options, maybe your taste will be more sophisticated, than if you had less options. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Majed

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Majed said:

like when you're horny and have nobody to fuck, then if i gave you any girl you would be happy to fuck her, or would you rather finish with your own hand ? 

Frankly I would prefer porn over a girl who I don't like. I have very sophisticated taste. The raw sex is not the main appeal for me.

Yes, I'm weird. But also I like it. I value quality over quantity.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura you're cheating i didn't say you had access to porn

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, my T was around 800 and I have always been picky.

Interesting.

Maybe low aromatase? Have you measured estradiol?

When aromatization is low you are more sexually strict and less libidinal.

When the aroma is strong you want to jerk off 6 times a day and fuck anything remotely resembling a woman, with a preference for "bigger is better lol".

This is what I found while manipulating hormones with SERMS, AI, etc.
Guys on Meso rx who are used to using testosterone creams agree.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Schizophonia