Leo, Your Apology

[Sugarcoat]

21 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I started a new thread not realizing this one was already posted. It's been since locked as Admin, which I understand, suggested to just keep it to one thread, but you can read my response there. I would also like to add that please never make your reason to leave a forum because of what other's are doing or saying. There's a reason why you were drawn here to begin with and it's up to you to make the best of the opportunity. No one is going to be exactly how you'd like them to be, but you can choose for yourself what and how you respond to things, circumstances and people. Interact the way you like for people to react with you, submit posts that you find interesting or important to you, become that which you'd like to experience, just walking away sometimes shows you're not in control of your own decision-making and is dependent on others to make you feel a certain way.

Sure, leave if you're done with it and see no value; but not because how others' are acting or speaking that doesn't satisfy your liking, because in the end anywhere you go, there's always something/someone that will disturb you if you're not grounded in your own being and presence.

Yes! You hit the nail with this one! Totally how I would reason myself ❤️

[hyruga]

Leo keeping all of you in an emotional up and down cycle. Next week, he's going to scold all of you again. And then apologize another time.?

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, hyruga said:

Leo keeping all of you in an emotional up and down cycle. Next week, he's going to scold all of you again. And then apologize another time.?

This is why if you just accept it for what it is and just stay neutral, that won't happen. It's an apology. Next week if it's a scold, it's a scold. If it's another apology, it's another apology. It's hard to see everything this way, especially when it's personal, but in this case, you can use it as an exercise, to practice. See it for what it is, no interpretations. It won't change your life that much either way. 

[Soul Flight]

Thank you for the apology Leo. I am so proud of you.

Anyone notice the "strange loop" aspect of Leo's journey? We do all this work only to return to the beginning and just be nice and be human.

T.S. Elliott: "We shall not cease from exploration. And the end of all our exploring. Will be to arrive where we started. And know the place for the first time."

Edited August 3, 2023 by Soul Flight

[Inliytened1]

Leo - grow a pair.  Do not be sorry for anything.  This creates guilt.   Realize that this is part of your growth and move on.   Be compassionate in your actions not in your reactions. 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Inliytened1

[VictorB02]

"My Apology 01"

This is why I follow you, @Leo Gura 

Your integrity, your humility, and your willingness to just say "Fuck. I missed the mark." is so damn inspiring. It really is the human aspect of your work, attitude, and perspective that are the most moving for me. Thats where it really hits.

The ability to love yourself on this level, and then demonstrate to others how to do it as well, is equally as profound as your deepest insights, in my opinion. There is just something about that Love.

-

Thank you for being You. Thank you for continuing to walk "The Path." Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us.

We love you man. 

Edited August 4, 2023 by VictorB02

[VictorB02]

1 hour ago, ivayloivanov0926 said:

Apologizing for your mistakes is entirely correct and is what a conscious person does when they realize they've made an error that could have potentially hurt or mislead someone. What, do you never apologize? Or do you never make any mistakes to apologize for in the first place?

Yeah I completely agree.

You can feel literally feel the Love radiating from that Blog post. No guilt or shame. No "boohoo, poor me"

Just Love.

Edited August 3, 2023 by VictorB02

[StarStruck]

There is a difference between understanding the game and playing the game. I always make face palm when I read people writing you are not your body and you are the only person in the universe (sollipsim). These are all theoretical understandings and it is all fine and dandy to have such trans-human fancy philosophical views but at the end of the day you have to play the game, may it be the survival game, emotional game, romantic game or whatever game you are playing. Leo just got caught in his own game and he thought he transcended the game. It was not a good look on him and he was a bad role model for many with some fatal endings. It is just amazing he didn't see it.

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, ivayloivanov0926 said:

Apologizing for your mistakes is entirely correct and is what a conscious person does when they realize they've made an error that could have potentially hurt or mislead someone. What, do you never apologize? Or do you never make any mistakes to apologize for in the first place?

What do you mean by "Grow a pair"? That real men never say sorry?

He clearly states that he knows that, so I don't think your advice is needed. Here's a direct quote from his apology:

"I had to question and transgress against classic spiritual virtues like humility, compassion, and goodness itself. This was a phase and it had its uses.

I am speaking much deeper than you understand.  This is not about other people this is about him. 

Apologizing is correct by what measures?  By the human measure.  If he wants to transcend that - then he will understand that this is people pleasing.

People pleasing only brings more desire and more ego.  Compassion does not encompass people pleasing.  Compassion comes from within. 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Inliytened1

[Dan502]

Thank you for the apology Leo. I accept it.

I am thankful for your teachings.

You are unique and you are loved.

I'm sorry to hear that you have been suffering. I hope it passes soon.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Dan502

[SOUL]

Transcending the human perspective to awaken to a universal perspective doesn't mean that one should just dismiss human social interactions altogether. An apology is a way for someone to reach out to others to let them know they are aware the dynamics between them have been strained in some way and taking responsibility for the part one may have played in it.

Although the apology isn't the end of the situation, it's more like the beginning and in fact, without resolving the issue that caused the straining and behaving in a way that remediates it then the apology wasn't much more than a token gesture and is not a genuine acknowledgment. So time will tell what this really is, the present moment will continue to reveal its actual nature.

[Ayham]

The apology was epic wild fire, it almost made me shit my pants
10/10
 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, SOUL said:

Transcending the human perspective to awaken to a universal perspective doesn't mean that one should just dismiss human social interactions altogether. An apology is a way for someone to reach out to others to let them know they are aware the dynamics between them have been strained in some way and taking responsibility for the part one may have played in it.

Although the apology isn't the end of the situation, it's more like the beginning and in fact, without resolving the issue that caused the straining and behaving in a way that remediates it then the apology wasn't much more than a token gesture and is not a genuine acknowledgment. So time will tell what this really is, the present moment will continue to reveal its actual nature.

You can start then, by apologizing to me.  For all of your arrogant acts on the forum.  I think you have misled us in many ways.  And while you may be wise in your own way - you are far from an awakened being.  So I don't think your advice counts for much.

[SOUL]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

You can start then, by apologizing to me.  For all of your arrogant acts on the forum.  I think you have misled us in many ways.  And while you may be wise in your own way - you are far from an awakened being.  So I don't think your advice counts for much.

I will take your sentiments into consideration but I don't require an apology for your personal attacks towards me on this forum, this reply included.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

I will take your sentiments into consideration but I don't require an apology for your personal attacks towards me on this forum, this reply included.

Then neither does Leo.

[SOUL]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Then neither does Leo.

Do you mean he doesn't have to apologize or that he doesn't require an apology?

I didn't say he should do either, though, did you think I did?

[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Do you mean he doesn't have to apologize or that he doesn't require an apology?

I didn't say he should do either, though, did you think I did?

He doesn't have to apologize.  He did so solely from his own guilt.

[Recursoinominado]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

He doesn't have to apologize.  He did so solely from his own guilt.

That's just the mature thing to do.

[SOUL]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

He doesn't have to apologize.  He did so solely from his own guilt.

To be fair, as we grow in awareness we can become aware of the effects of our behaviors and words have on others, we can actually experience a first hand like experience of it and have an intimate knowledge of those effects in ways that we previously didn't have.

So we don't necessarily need to project any emotion onto this, it can be something that is recognized as a sort of performative act to signal to others our intent to reconcile many different types of things as well as this simple act can make an impact on others and allow healing to happen.

You declaring why he 'solely' did it may or may not be as you suggest, only Leo can answer that.

Also, I'm not sure where you get the notion that you have any authority to determine what is or is not being awakened and who is or is not awakened. This isn't the first time you've said this to me and I suspect I'm not the only one you have said it to.

It may have your desired effect on others who you say it to but I see through this ploy and has little to no effect other than for me to chuckle at your own arrogant hubris.

I hope we don't have to go through this rhetorical dance again.

Edited August 4, 2023 by SOUL

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, SOUL said:

To be fair, as we grow in awareness we can become aware of the effects of our behaviors and words have on others, we can actually experience a first hand like experience of it and have an intimate knowledge of those effects in ways that we previously didn't have.

So we don't necessarily need to project any emotion onto this, it can be something that is recognized as a sort of performative act to signal to others our intent to reconcile many different types of things as well as this simple act can make an impact on others and allow healing to happen.

You declaring why he 'solely' did it may or may not be as you suggest, only Leo can answer that.

Also, I'm not sure where you get the notion that you have any authority to determine what is or is not being awakened and who is or is not awakened. This isn't the first time you've said this to me and I suspect I'm not the only one you have said it to.

It may have your desired effect on others who you say it to but I see through this ploy and has little to no effect other than for me to chuckle at your own arrogant hubris.

I hope we don't have to go through this rhetorical dance again.

I'm glad I got a chuckle then

I was just playing with you because I like you.   So I will only apologize if you think it's the mature thing to do.

I actualy don't know if you are enlightened or not.  You could be.  We've grown together through the years.  You weren't back then...but time has passed.  I'm glad we are on this journey together brother.